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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
Again, his lawyer is claiming otherwise. So we do know . . . if you want to believe his lawyer.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
Ardenwolfe posted:

Ashmaele posted:

Do you have a link for this? I know that Z's attorney has alleged that he requested medical treatment but the cops took him to the police station for questioning instead. I had not heard of these injuries. They should be pretty easy to verify I would think.



Yes, he said it on a televised program. Give me a moment to find it.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W23p8UVbWuc

Starts at 4:10 . . . admission happens around 5:20 where the lawyer states the injuries happened because of Martin.



Interesting. Should be easy to confirm this by releasing medical records.

 

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Ardenwolfe  2 stars
Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
And photos. If it's part of a criminal investigation, justified or not, the medical staff must photograph it as well. That's standard procedure. With the magnitude this case has gotten, I'm shocked these pictures are not out there.

If they exist.

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
Can they seal those records from the public until after/during the grand jury hearing?
vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-6-30 17:22:56
DemonicXH posted:

And in case you can't read, I've stated my bias just a few posts up, but you are still butthurt regarding that other because you insist on bringing it up.



Making fun of your errors is not being butthurt. It's making fun of your errors. You still haven't explained how he looked taller from one head shot to the next.

As for your bias being against the media ( ) that isn't even relevant. That's not the kind of bias we are talking about and you know it. I ignored it for the self aggrandizing poser BS that it was. It supports precisely what I was saying, you want to appear open minded when you are not.

Your need to paint the kid as something other than a kid says much more then your bullshit sophistries about "the media."

I don't pretend to know you and I don't have any particular animosity towards you. Your antics are not particular to you, they are something we all do to some extent. I just felt the urge to point out your hypocrisy since you claim someone else is not seeing clearly because of their bias while you pretend your "bias" is not getting the whole story from the media.

Which is an utter crock of unadulterated bullshit. You have your preconceived notions and wish you had enough information to support it. Meantime you cherry pick info just like everyone else.

And now you are waiting to see which side is true...but don't pretend you are more open minded than everyone else. That's a joke.

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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vn_nnanji posted:

Making fun of your errors is not being butthurt. It's making fun of your errors. You still haven't explained how he looked taller from one head shot to the next.

As for your bias being against the media ( ) that isn't even relevant. That's not the kind of bias we are talking about and you know it. I ignored it for the self aggrandizing poser BS that it was. It supports precisely what I was saying, you want to appear open minded when you are not.

Your need to paint the kid as something other than a kid says much more then your bullshit sophistries about "the media."

I don't pretend to know you and I don't have any particular animosity towards you. Your antics are not particular to you, they are something we all do to some extent. I just felt the urge to point out your hypocrisy since you claim someone else is not seeing clearly because of their bias while you pretend your "bias" is not getting the whole story from the media.

Which is an utter crock of unadulterated bullshit.



Show me where I was wrong on something? I ever claimed Zimmerman was innocent or that Trayvon was guilty of anything. Just like the other thread you are trying to twist my words to fit your argument that I am being hypocritical about something which is flat out false. My bias is simple; Innocent until proven guilty. Let the justice system do it's job. Where you got the idea that I have some bias towards the media "not giving the whole story" I have no idea because I never said that.

I called out Ardenwolfe on his bias because it's there. One of his first posts he called Zimmerman a murderer, which at this time is not true, it shows he has made up his mind already.

You on the other hand are jumping in with a pretentious attitude saying that I need to show that I am trying to paint the kid as something else and that I am not open minded. Simply put, just like the I stated in the last thread, the picture that a lot of the major news networks were running showed a dated picture. That's all I said. Your opinion was that I was wrong, but I am pretty sure his family came out and said it was old.


In the end, I won't get into a semantic argument about how you think I feel on this or any other projection you might have.
vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-6-30 17:22:56
Oh please. As if "the media not giving the full story" is not an adequate restatement of what you said. If you aren't going to play semantic grab ass then by all means don't. Don't do it for two paragraphs and then say you are not going to.

I got it dude. You are one open minded fellow, simply striving for truth in this sordid affair.

Truths like "people look taller in a hoodie" perhaps.

For the record here's my bias: if Barney Fife hadn't been running around playing cops and robbers with a loaded pistol then this kid would be alive. And this kid had done nothing to deserve killing, hoodie, empty pot bags and tattoos notwithstanding. Maybe he was casing houses for all we know. Last I looked that wasn't a capital offense.

Now some are saying that when (if is what should be said) he attacked Zimmerman then he was the aggressor and took the risk of getting shot. I don't see it that way. If Barney Fife was not smart, strong or trained enough to handle a 17 year old kid then he had no business having a gun. If he was ignorant enough to go looking for a confrontation and then turn his back on the kid then he has no business having a gun or even the hint of authority because he's a moron. I learned when I was 10 not to turn my back on someone I was in a confrontation with. That's just common sense. So either Mayberry RFD was stupid or he's lying. Either way he killed a kid because of it.

This kid is dead because Zimmerman is an asshole with a gun. If he couldn't handle the situation without killing an umnarmed kid then his fat wanna be Barney Fife ass should have been home, unarmed, watching Hawaii 5-0 and getting a chubby when they say "Book him Danno!"

 

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Sinlock  2 stars
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Registered: 2000-5-14 16:20:01
Ardenwolfe posted:

Sinlock posted:

A 6'3" dude is now a "child". Yet more media-style manipulations.



Are you serious?



A "child" is a prepubescent individual. Seventeen is wee bit past puberty. Your language is not representative of reality, and was only used to try to paint Martin has a cowering child who was cruelly shot down by a towering adult. This is not what happened.

 

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vn_nnanji  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-6-30 17:22:56
He was a high school kid. No, he wasn't a child. He wasn't a grown man either.

I really don't care. See above. I've gotten to the point that unless the kids hands were registered deadly weapons Barney Fife caused this by being "stupid while armed."

 

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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
vn_nnanji posted:

This kid is dead because Zimmerman is an asshole with a gun. If he couldn't handle the situation without killing an umnarmed kid then his fat wanna be Barney Fife ass should have been home, unarmed, watching Hawaii 5-0 and getting a chubby when they say "Book him Danno!"



At least we can agree on that.



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