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Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Registered: 2006-5-23 20:09:28
Groucho48 posted:

Bowlartz posted:

There won't be a trial. They don't have any evidence contradicting Zimmerman. They tried and are still trying to "find" witnesses that will tell them what they want to hear.



Which story of Zimmerman's do they have to contradict? The first story that he told police...that he had gotten out of his truck to check the street signs and Martin jumped him? Or, the story he is now going with...that he had followed Martin for a while, given up, and was walking back to his truck when Martin jumped him?

The guy was lying to police in at least one of those stories. Which means he has no credibility at all.



Disproving his story isn't what the legal system requires.

You have to prove yours, and I just don't see it happening.
SoBaKi  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
SirGarth posted:

cabbyman posted:

2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?



only if you're really desperate to defend Zimmerman - Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, and did not seek out the confrontation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, acted irrationally in following and confronting Trayvon and exhibits a clear pattern of behavior.

there's a reason the 911 operator didn't want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, and it led to the worst-case scenario and will make Zimmerman the poster case for the wrong way to be in a neighborhood watch. after that call he switched from responsible neighborhood watch member to charles bronson wannabe, and it cost Trayvon his life for no reason.



This is all that need be said. Case closed.

 

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theredkay1  3 stars
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cabbyman posted:

A couple things:


2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?



What would that tell us about this incident? Does Trayvon have a history of attacking people who happen to be walking behind him?
Bowlartz  1 star
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Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
"ou will add your "eyes and ears" to those of the Police Department which cannot be everywhere, all the time, by keeping a watchful eye and open ear to what is happening in your neighborhood. You will extend their ability to provide security by reporting anything unusual or suspicious, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so they can follow up on your leads. What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

Pg. 15 #10 - Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the Police Department

His following is taking a risk, and getting physically involved, which is exactly why the 911 dispatcher told him to not do it. His "job" as a neighborhood watch person ended the moment after he called 911."


None of this is relevant if Zimmerman was merely trying to keep an eye on someone suspicious until police arrive...from a distance...loses sight of the someone and starts going back to their car only to be approached and confronted (note I used confronted not assaulted) by this person.

No one has any evidence that it did not play out this way or any other way as a matter of fact, this is the main thing driving the rampant speculation and side choosing.

 

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ineenia  2 stars
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Registered: 2005-11-1 04:48:33
-Espiritu- posted:

Nobody commenting in this thread, including me, actually knows what happened.



We don't know everything but that statement isn't close to being honest.


What we know about Zimmerman
______________________________________________
3 arrest for domestic assault

1 arrest for assault on a police officer

too aggressive to work security

Obsessed with being a cop

obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

By his own admission was chasing a teenager that had not done anything wrong through the neighborhood while in possession of a gun.

Has changed parts of his story /lied to the police

His daddy is a politically connected ex judge(Virginia,Supreme Court magistrate just 5 years ago)

Wasn't charged even though the responding officer believed he should be.

Police chief had to step down?


Illegally confronted and demanded ID from the last black teenagers he didn't recognize that were in his neighborhood.

doesn't have serious wounds,but claims he believed he was going to die.

The wounds he claims to have aren't significant enough to be distinguishably visible on video soon after the incident.
______________________________________________________________________________________

What we Know about Martin
_________________________________

Dead black teenager

Killed

Stalked and pursued by his killer moments before his death.

Liked pot,skittles,ice tea and his GF.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
theredkay1 posted:

cabbyman posted:

A couple things:

2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?



What would that tell us about this incident? Does Trayvon have a history of attacking people who happen to be walking behind him?



Have you read through his Twitter posts?

 

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Tych2  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
ineenia posted:

obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

Isn't that his job? Especially if he lived in a crappy neighborhood. I don't understand this line of criticism.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Tych2 posted:

ineenia posted:

obsessed with making contact with the police (59 calls to the police in about as many days)

Isn't that his job? Especially if he lived in a crappy neighborhood. I don't understand this line of criticism.



The list of calls he placed that I saw was over a multi-year period of time.

 

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Tych2  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
Then why is ineenia say 59 calls in as many days. He makes it sound like one call a day for 59 days.

 

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cabbyman  2 stars
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Inania is a dude?

 

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