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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. [Locked] |
Bowlartz  Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
Posts: 221
Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
Ardenwolfe posted:
Naturally. It's not even worth the effort. Nevermind that someone is dead. The community is in an uproar. And it's gained international attention on our and Florida's law enforcement systems.
Yes, let's just ignore it or sweep it under the rug. That's been super successful so far.
So you are in favor of arresting someone and putting them on trial when there is not enough evidence to prove the case. DAs and the Police should just skip considering circumstances were that no crime was committed and should always assume that a crime was committed going right to arrest/trial.
Yea, that won't cause any problems.
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cabbyman  Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
Ardenwolfe posted:
At this point, all I want to see is his arrest and the matter put to trial. All this speculation is nothing more than that. And some of you, Cabby, have gone into the realm of Disneyland with your extreme excuses.
And yes, Twitter is a great judge of character. Heck, with that kind of logic, most of you here are brain dead at worst or infantile morons at best if we use the postings here as an indicator.
Every point I've made with regards to this case has been made without consideration of color. I've read all the links posted and listened to the calls.
There are no excuses. There is only the information available. You will see that I am correct.
If I've gone to kookyland in any of my discussions then point them out to me and we can discuss but I want you to only draw from the information available not what you think someone said or did. That said here is what I believe happened:
I believe Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch that night and did see Martin from a distance as a suspicious person who he was not familiar with. I believe Zimmerman was following Matin as he related information to the police over the phone. I believe that Zimmerman did continue following Zimmerman to relate his position back to the police until they arrived.
I think Martin may indeed have thought Zimmerman was following him. I think Martin ran away from Zimmerman. I think Zimmerman did lose sight of Martin. I think that Zimmerman did turn around and start walking back to his truck. I think at this point Martin did circle back to Zimmerman to confront him. I think words and/or insults were exchanged. I think Martin did punch Zimmerman first and knock him down not out of fear but out of bravado after he was able to size Zimmerman up close. I believe Martin was straddling Zimmerman and beating him. I believe at this point Zimmerman shot Martin.
This is what I have gleaned from what I've read and listened to. I believe a grand jury should be formed and this should be investigated further. If the events played out the way that I have presented them here then I also believe Zimmerman did nothing illegal.
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Ardenwolfe Title: All Knowing Grammar Police
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Registered: 2002-12-11 14:47:24
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
Gee, let's ignore the unarmed, dead teenager. That's not potential evidence of a crime. Oh no. There's no need to investigate or put the matter to trial because obviously that teenager had it coming. 
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Tych2  Title: Obama Appointed Outpost Czar
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Registered: 2005-3-1 06:56:47
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Tych2 posted:
We should find out where he lives and bring a rope to the nearest tree. We all know he is guilty of something. String em up.
how come, when i first came up with this idea a while back, you said there was laws against lynching ?]
how come you are suddenly in favour of hanging him?
I was joking with my hanging post. I was being sarcastic.
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SoBaKi Posts: 487
Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
SoBaKi posted:
SirGarth posted:
cabbyman posted:
2) If Zimmerman's actions seven years ago are relevant does that mean Trayvon's actions (drugs, suspension, etc...) are relevant?
only if you're really desperate to defend Zimmerman - Trayvon wasn't doing anything illegal, and did not seek out the confrontation with Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, acted irrationally in following and confronting Trayvon and exhibits a clear pattern of behavior.
there's a reason the 911 operator didn't want Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, and it led to the worst-case scenario and will make Zimmerman the poster case for the wrong way to be in a neighborhood watch. after that call he switched from responsible neighborhood watch member to charles bronson wannabe, and it cost Trayvon his life for no reason.
This is all that need be said. Case closed.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
Zimmerman made himself responsible the second he got out of his car and started following Martin. Martin had a legal right to stand his ground and defend himself against an unidentified man who got out of an unmarked vehicle and was stalking him.
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Bowlartz Title: Offical VN Tin Foil Hat Supplier
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Registered: 2006-1-4 19:59:15
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Date Posted:
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
"Martin had a legal right to stand his ground and defend himself"
What evidence do you have that he did this and didn't follow Zimmerman towards his car, confronting him and then assaulting him?
That's right, there is none. He would be in jail if this was the case. The police have been desperate to find evidence that would allow them to arrest him and charge him. They have even been caught on the record trying to lead witnesses to say Zimmerman just killed him.
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Vydor Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
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1/1/00 12:01am
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
Bowlartz posted:
"Martin had a legal right to stand his ground and defend himself"
What evidence do you have that he did this and didn't follow Zimmerman towards his car, confronting him and then assaulting him?
That's right, there is none. He would be in jail if this was the case. The police have been desperate to find evidence that would allow them to arrest him and charge him. They have even been caught on the record trying to lead witnesses to say Zimmerman just killed him.
Well, the cops weren't "caught on the record", they are accused of leading a witness by the witness' mother.
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Vydor Posts: 248
Registered: 2001-12-24 21:14:09
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Zimmerman lost control, has a hair trigger and violent temper. |
_Gimpzilla_ posted:
Zimmerman made himself responsible the second he got out of his car and started following Martin. Martin had a legal right to stand his ground and defend himself against an unidentified man who got out of an unmarked vehicle and was stalking him.
Yup, Zimmerman followed Martin at one point. But that in and of itself is not illegal, even if the 911 dispatcher says we don't need you to do that, Zimmerman still hadn't broken any laws at that point.
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