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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

You're like 30 posts behind the thread. Your numbers are wrong, and that wasn't the actual choice. So pretty much 0/3.



If the estimates provided by the actual people who were planning such invasion were wrong then your number is a total fabrication.
Quaho
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Yukishiro1 posted:

We didn't have the bomb for 4 years so that's a sorta poor argument. Only about a month passed between finishing the bomb and using it.

In fact we didn't have the bomb until Japan was already clearly beaten and not a threat to anyone any more. But we still used it anyhow. Not once, but twice, within 3 days.



 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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Yukishiro1 posted:

Koneg posted:

Yukishiro1 posted:

AFAIK there never were detailed plans drawn up.

You FAIK... wrong.


http://www.blackvault.com/documents/wwii/marine1/1239.pdf

Operation Downfall, 28 May 1945



A 20 page report? From before the battle of okinawa? That's your detailed plans? Seriously? There's less than a page on actual invasion plans. I have trouble believing D-day or the invasion of okinawa was coordinated based on one small map and a few sentences of what they actually planned to do. "Take kagoshima wan and ariake wan" is about like saying your invasion plan for America is "capture san francisco and L.A."


Incidentally, the report mentions the invasion of southern kyushu I was talking about, as well as a later invasion of tokyo, but that's it. I didn't know they had also planned the tokyo bit, which is interesting. I didn't see any casualty estimates but I'm pretty sure the estimate for Kyushu was about 65k.



Large operational plans plans are usually simple and not especially detailed. You don't need to plan in detail..you create missions, assign missions to formations and then let the subunits handle operational details of their missions. The Plan for operations in overlord was only a few pages in size.


The real planning is in the logistics, and those are handled in a different file.

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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The first country to develop nukes used them the very moment they were available and stopped using them as soon as other countries had them, too. Fact.

 

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__Bonk__  5 stars
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Nuking Japan was a war crime

 

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bstulic  3 stars
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__Bonk__ posted:

Nuking Japan was a war crime





Winners decide whats a war crime...except when
Croatia wins, but thats another story

 

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Bobvillas  3 stars
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An army that held to the code of san ko: "Kill all, burn all, loot all."

The alternatives to what we did would have been much worse.

The Japanese were eating our military men they captured. Keeping the soldiers in pits and eating portions of them that would keep them from escaping and also keep them alive so they could continue to use them for a source of food.

Japanese troops forced thousands of Japanese civilians to leap off cliffs into the waters so that the floating corpses blocked the progress of U.S. Navy vessels.

I think it can be fairly argued that the Japanese commanders did things to their own people, and to those civilians and soldiers in their capture, that the German military under Hitler wouldn't have done to captured Allied troops.

The attrition war that would have come without the two bombs (One if the Japanese had actually responded after the 1st) would have cost much more on both sides.

There is a reason they were not allowed to have a military.

The Japanese people suffered because of their leaders arrogance and unmitigated pride.

 

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__Bonk__  5 stars
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The Allies committed many war crimes. This is one of the reasons they wernt tougher on the defeated enemies

The reasons I think they werent tougher on the defeated countries who committed war crimes were

1) The Cold War started
2) The Allies themselves committed war crimes during the war
3) They remembered how in world war 1 the mistreatment of the vanquished lead to world war 2

 

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bstulic  3 stars
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I really don't get it...why they surrendered after two bombs?

 

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__Bonk__  5 stars
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They thought we had way more bombs and they could clearly see they were defeated.

They wanted an honorable way out. Because of the experiences in World War 1 the Allies decided that unconditional surrender was the only option. This was pushed by FDR

Its a shame FDR didnt live longer.

 

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