We covered that few times already in previous posts, and thats not the point of discussion here

 

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Invasion wasn't necessary.

Invasion would have been necessary to get Japan to completely roll over for us.

The Nuke was much quicker.

 

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If America haddn't had nukes it would have just accepted a single-condition surrender, which it ended up granting anyhow. There is no way Truman was stupid enough to do a full scale invasion just to prove some rhetorical point about complete surrender.

So?

Don't poke a tiger if you're not ready for the claws.

 

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I'm just pointing out all that stuff about saving American lives is silly. No Americans were going to die either way in an invasion that was never happening. A full scale American land invasion of Japan was never a real possibility. Which is why they never actually drew up detailed plans or did real estimates. IIRC the closest they got was a plan for a limited invasion of southern kyushu.

What part of "Unconditional" slipped past your radar?


Let me see if I can break this down so even you can understand it:



These are the facts. They are indisputable.


All your other protestations fall under the category of would-a, could-a, should-a and don't matter a damn.


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WTF? The operation was planned with a kick-off date of November 1st, 1945. The divisions were (mostly) already in place - they were just bringing in supplies. How do you believe detailed plans have not been made when you have a D-Day already picked??


Where the fark do you get your historical information? Dr Seuss?

 

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The war ended because he used the nukes, so the war would have went on longer.
More people would have died as a result. Odds are a few of them would have been American.


So Truman said nuke these sucker punching snatches and see if they roll over and show us there bellies.

They didn't.

So we he did it again.

Japan brought him his slippers after that.

 

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America wasn't going to do a full-scale invasion of Japan just to get an unconditional surrender when there was a single-condition surrender available, with a condition they were planning on granting anyway. You may be that stupid and callous, but Truman wasn't. At least I really hope he wasn't. That would be pretty psychotic.


AFAIK there never were detailed plans drawn up. They had a plan for a limited landing in southern kyushu (which is where the 65k number comes from), but that's it. I have not seen anything indicating they were even committed to that, though.


The bombs were dropped for political reasons, not military ones. There was no military necessity for an invasion or the bombs or anything else.

You FAIK... wrong.


http://www.blackvault.com/documents/wwii/marine1/1239.pdf

Operation Downfall, 28 May 1945






You're an idiot, and I should know better than to bother arguing with you.


/dismiss

 

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