Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
elric_1977 posted: Firstly, there/their, learn the difference, same with 'in' and 'un'.
Secondly, just learn to admit when you are wrong, or at the very least learn to view being corrected as a learning opportunity not as a personal attack.
i'm not an english major, and there/their, along with many other lame words in the english language are commonly mispelled by a very large portion of people.
do you know what one of the signs of loosing an internet arguement is, when you start personal attacks instead of debating the issue at hand.
you sir loose.
obviously from contextual clues in the sentence structure you would have known i was talking about an entity and not a place so the only reason to correct me
is to try and validate your arguement by making me look stupid... it doesnt work.
i have been part of the linux community, occasionaly submitting work sense 1994, not all of it gets in, not all ideas are accepted, i know how open source works.
its not a free ticket to bloatware, there are checks and balances in place to handle what gets put into the official code tree.
you dont see hundreds of versions of the apple OS being made and distributed around the internet even though its open source?
open source does not mean an absence of licensing allowing free use or distribution of the code.. it just means the code source is available.. thats it.
how that code is used is dictated by the license agreement underwich the code is published.
if it truely ment free use of teh code, then why are there open source projects like apple, that are open source yet still under limited use licenses,
or why does there have to be all the difrent open source licensing schemes out there... if open source was as you think it is, always freely available to do
what ever the hell you want with... why all the licensing agreements??
you are the one that needs to learn how to admit when he is wrong, not me.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
ArkadyTepes posted:
elric_1977 posted: Firstly, there/their, learn the difference, same with 'in' and 'un'.
Secondly, just learn to admit when you are wrong, or at the very least learn to view being corrected as a learning opportunity not as a personal attack.
i'm not an english major, and there/their, along with many other lame words in the english language are commonly mispelled by a very large portion of people.
do you know what one of the signs of loosing an internet arguement is, when you start personal attacks instead of debating the issue at hand.
you sir loose.
obviously from contextual clues in the sentence structure you would have known i was talking about an entity and not a place so the only reason to correct me
is to try and validate your arguement by making me look stupid... it doesnt work.
i have been part of the linux community, occasionaly submitting work sense 1994, not all of it gets in, not all ideas are accepted, i know how open source works.
its not a free ticket to bloatware, there are checks and balances in place to handle what gets put into the official code tree.
you dont see hundreds of versions of the apple OS being made and distributed around the internet even though its open source?
open source does not mean an absence of licensing allowing free use or distribution of the code.. it just means the code source is available.. thats it.
how that code is used is dictated by the license agreement underwich the code is published.
if it truely ment free use of teh code, then why are there open source projects like apple, that are open source yet still under limited use licenses,
or why does there have to be all the difrent open source licensing schemes out there... if open source was as you think it is, always freely available to do
what ever the hell you want with... why all the licensing agreements??
you are the one that needs to learn how to admit when he is wrong, not me.
No, he doesn't make you look stupid, you do fine with that yourself. Note that semi-literacy does not, as you seem to suspect, make you look clever - it just makes you look semi-literate.
You might also consider a spellchecker - it might fix some of your more obvious spelling issues, though it won't help when you use "loose" instead of "lose".
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
ArkadyTepes posted:
elric_1977 posted: Firstly, there/their, learn the difference, same with 'in' and 'un'.
Secondly, just learn to admit when you are wrong, or at the very least learn to view being corrected as a learning opportunity not as a personal attack.
i'm not an english major, and there/their, along with many other lame words in the english language are commonly mispelled by a very large portion of people.
do you know what one of the signs of loosing an internet arguement is, when you start personal attacks instead of debating the issue at hand.
you sir loose.
obviously from contextual clues in the sentence structure you would have known i was talking about an entity and not a place so the only reason to correct me
is to try and validate your arguement by making me look stupid... it doesnt work.
i have been part of the linux community, occasionaly submitting work sense 1994, not all of it gets in, not all ideas are accepted, i know how open source works.
its not a free ticket to bloatware, there are checks and balances in place to handle what gets put into the official code tree.
you dont see hundreds of versions of the apple OS being made and distributed around the internet even though its open source?
open source does not mean an absence of licensing allowing free use or distribution of the code.. it just means the code source is available.. thats it.
how that code is used is dictated by the license agreement underwich the code is published.
if it truely ment free use of teh code, then why are there open source projects like apple, that are open source yet still under limited use licenses,
or why does there have to be all the difrent open source licensing schemes out there... if open source was as you think it is, always freely available to do
what ever the hell you want with... why all the licensing agreements??
you are the one that needs to learn how to admit when he is wrong, not me.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
ArkadyTepes posted: do you know what one of the signs of loosing an internet arguement is, when you start personal attacks instead of debating the issue at hand.
There's nothing to debate.
If you want to continue to be stubborn and try and convince the other 99.9999% of the world that the definition of open source software is what you think it is as opposed to the defacto definition by the OSI subscribed to by everyone else, knock yourself out.
You're stubborn when wrong, and confuse there and their in the same way you confuse open source software with a community involved project with access to the original codebase, which is fine for some people in lazy internet arguements, but still wrong in the rest of the world.
ArkadyTepes posted: you dont see hundreds of versions of the apple OS being made and distributed around the internet even though its open source?
Is that a question or a statement?
Again, you're confusing open source with a commercial closed source project that includes open source elements, (in this case the unix kernel and webkit for example). OSX is not open source, you have no access to the cocoa framework or safari amoung many many many other things. Without cocoa OSX is not OSX, it's simply a nix OS with no window manager, therefore OSX is not open source.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
ArkadyTepes posted:
Fanglo posted: if it went open source the most immidiate change would be upgraded graphics. I forget the website but there is a guy that has been converting DaoC to the Crysis engine. His version looks just as good as nearly any modern day MMO. The graphics are very beautiful.
converting the graphics, for a single user experiences is completely difrent then converting the graphics, for multiplayer + porting all the server side code to the new engine..
That is a totally true comment.
In the threads about the Crysis graphics conversion it was mentioned that when making a ‘visual’ conversion for the Crysis engine to display DAoC graphics, the underlying world framework, a framework needed for a game to actually run, was not even considered.
and daoc's graphics engine is more then capable of handling brighter, prettier graphics as noted by the many other prettier games and WAR ... that all run the same engine..
mythics art style and the game graphics are a design decision not a limitation in the game engine...
Totally true. The DAoC game engine is modern and is used by many other games . To upgrade DAoC’s graphics, a change in game engine is not needed.
even if daoc was open source, the IP is mythics any changes would be submitted then mythic would choose wether to include them or not...
so youd still be limited to mythics design decisions, like the graphics and art style.
Totally true if EA/Mythic retained control of the OS project. As DAoC uses the Emergent game engine it is doubtful that Emergent would let the engine go ‘open source’. Because of the Emergent game engine and the license to EA/Mythic, chances are EA/Mythic would need to retain control of the project and changes to the game would be limited by Mythic.
If EA/Mythic were to release the DAoC game code to the public and if Emergent were to allow free use of their game engine for the OS DAoC, a few shard type projects would pop up.
About Typos:
Those who review the thread will find that many who posted used the art of typo, not just ArkadyTepes. Attacking typos in an attempt to show superiority is usually considered a rude tactic. Most of us can read typo as well as we can use it and typos happen from time to time. If a typo has created ambiguity it is acceptable forum etiquette to clarify, but the typos in the above thread have in no way obscured the meaning of a post. Again, if you review the thread you will find that many who posted used the art form of typo, not just ArkadyTepes. If you are going to take on the roll of of unbiased ‘Typo Police’ you should police all typos.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
deyoung.nick posted: "but it's basically free money every month. They're not going to just squander that"
do you think about the cost of maintaining servers?
Do you make it a habit to quote people out of context and then replying to only the limited context you quoted?
If you read a little further, I was obviously implying that current the cost of maintaining servers and the DAoC team as well as DAoC related CSR is clearly still profitable, or the game would have been shut down before Ywain was created. Ywain saved Mythic tons of cash by converging numerous servers into one, and that has ensured future profitability for a while unless the population were to drop substantially from current levels.
Just look at UO, still going after what 14 years now? They're not in the business of running things for free to appease fans, or because they're nostalgic, they're still making money off UO and obviously also DAoC or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
ArkadyTepes posted: high insane graphics crysis style works fine small scale, but you get 100 players on screen and that engine is gunna take a serious dive in preformance and it will become a lagfest slide show for the player...
Like playing in the Lab ? DAoC server performance is the crappiest of any game I've ever played. I'd compare it's performance to CSR performance.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
If daoc went open source...
ArkadyTepes posted:
Fanglo posted: if it went open source the most immidiate change would be upgraded graphics. I forget the website but there is a guy that has been converting DaoC to the Crysis engine. His version looks just as good as nearly any modern day MMO. The graphics are very beautiful.
converting the graphics, for a single user experiences is completely difrent then converting the graphics, for multiplayer + porting all the server side code to the new engine..
and daoc's graphics engine is more then capable of handling brighter, prettier graphics as noted by the many other prettier games and WAR ... that all run the same engine..
mythics art style and the game graphics are a design decision not a limitation in the game engine...
even if daoc was open source, the IP is mythics any changes would be submitted then mythic would choose wether to include them or not...
so youd still be limited to mythics design decisions, like the graphics and art style.
Yes and no, those 3D engines working totally different way, Cryengine load everything to memory at once .. Gamebryo loads when needed, but again Cryengine can draw whole mainlands (with OF) with dynamic shadows without any problems and no need to limit draw distance compared to DAoC limited zone visibility.
From Ywain board ...
Manda.Veturi posted: As I said before, I don't expect that Mythic going to make any changes to engine (even though Gamebryo was just bought by Gamebase Co.) as it's really big task to do and requires huge amount of 3d assets to be updated.
