some people can, and infact do have fun with just 1 account in camelot, it is possible...

other people cant have fun in any game without multiple accounts.

 

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At your service.

http://camelotherald.com/news

"My name is Todd Gropp, and I am the Senior Manager of Customer Service for Mythic. I would like to talk to you about the change in the ability for CS to detect and discipline players that are performing multiple actions, on multiple characters, on multiple accounts with one keystroke.

This behavior has always been a violation of DAoC’s Rules of Conduct. Specifically, this breaks rules 13, 14, and 16, which I’ve included below. I’ve been playing DAoC since launch, and I’ve been a part of CS here for six and a half years. We’ve been aware of multi-box teams since their inception and have received player feedback regarding the issue since that time. Where the change in our stance as a studio has come into play:

* Clustering has increased the contact rate of players in the game world.
* We now have technology to determine whether a set of characters that appear to be played by one person is being controlled by multi-box means.

CS does not warn, suspend or terminate an account for the use of a 3rd party program or hardware without being able to detect it on our side, no matter how sure we are of what we visually verify. When asked by players what exactly a violation of these rules would be, our CSR’s are instructed to advise the following:

* “One keystroke should only perform one action, on one character, on one account. Anything which is used to circumvent this would be a violation.”

With the creation of the Ywain “Super-Cluster”, player feedback on multi-box play within DAoC has increased dramatically. While this feedback is not specific to PvE or RvR areas of the game the Development team has taken this Feedback seriously (as always), and made the decision to reach out to Customer Service and determine what we would need in order to curb the use of any software or hardware which would allow players to multi-box. After much discussion a plan was put into motion, and the final result is what you are seeing from us now.

If you are playing Dark Age of Camelot and you come across a group of characters all performing synchronized actions in a way which you feel could only be accomplished by 3rd party means, please file a Violation report. Include every character name that you see taking part. We will be investigating these reports thoroughly. In concert with our new technology, accounts which are performing these actions will be disciplined based upon the investigation. Do know that the investigation does not revolve around the exact timing of the character abilities/spells/etc. being used.

The discipline for this behavior, if verified during the investigation, is quite strict. This is due to the severe impact on the experience of other players on the server, and the means in which these actions are performed. Multi-day suspensions at the least, up to permanent account termination at the most are what you should expect. We will never discuss the action taken against another account with you, but we are very serious about trying to ensure a fun and fair environment for all of you. We always strive to improve both the game itself, and your experience within it. We, of course, welcome your feedback on any changes that we make to our service via the Camelot Herald: http://camelotherald.com/feedback/index.php.

* Full Rules of Conduct: http://support.darkageofcamelot.com/kb/ ... php?id=073
* Rule 13: Use any scripting or macroing tools, hardware or software.
* Rule 14: Use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools. Use of these types of programs will result in immediate termination of the Account and may subject you to civil and/or criminal liability.
* Rule 16: Engage in any behavior that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game' as defined by Mythic in its sole discretion.

Thank you for your time, and fight well!"

 

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Today happens to be that letter's birthday. Todd published it exactly a year ago.


There is nothing in that letter that applies to LottaCam, which is what we are discussing here.


That letter is about multiboxing software like HotkeyNet. It's not about programs like LottaCam which perform a different function.


If you think I'm wrong, please point out the specific sentences that proscribe LottaCam.

 

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* Rule 16: Engage in any behavior that is contrary to the 'spirit of the game' as defined by Mythic in its sole discretion.

They can decide anything is illegal at any given time and in any given instance.

 

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Yes, they can decide that programs like LottaCam are illegal. But they haven't decided that programs like LottaCam are illegal.


They've never said or hinted anything of the sort.


The question is not whether they have the power to make LottaCam illegal. Of course they do.


The question is whether they have decided that LottaCam breaks their rules.


They have never published any rule or any written statement tht indicates that they think LottaCam breaks their rules. Nor have they ever punished anyone for using LottaCam or any similar program.


If they wanted to stop people from using programs like LottaCam, they could very easily add a small amount of code to the DAOC client that would prevent programs like LottaCam from working. It would be a couple of hours' work. They wouldn't even need a rule. But they haven't done this.

 

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You asked for a sentence in the EULA that could reference LottaCam. Rule 16 would cover it quite easily. Given the history of one box per machine and then grudgingly 2 boxes per machine I'd think that LottaCam would certainly fall outside of Mythic's idea of "spirit of the game".

 

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so long as you have to "tab" between the screens and only the foreground/active screen is recieving key commands then I doubt Mythic will have an issue.

 

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If Mythic thought that they would say so. But they don't say so.


The reason you and I are not communicating is that you think Mythic can have secret rules (in this case, a rule against LottaCam) that they don't tell anyone about.


You don't realize that when Mythic outlaws a category of software, they say so at the top of their lungs. They don't leave the matter in doubt. They don't leave people wondering. They want people to know. They want people to be scared to use the prohibited programs.


We all know the categories of software that Mythic prohibits. Radar, automatic crafting, multiple characters with single keypresses, speed hacks, etc. We know Mythic prohibits those programs. They say so. They punish people for using them. They send email about them. They implement technical measures to defeat them. They post on the Herald about them.


Well, they used to post, back when DAOC had staff assigned to it.


In contrast, they've never given the slightest hint, in any form whatsoever, that they object to programs like LottaCam. They've never said so. They've never taken any action against anyone for using them. They've never implemented technical measures against them.


May I ask you a favor? Take a look at Todd Gropp's letter higher in this thread. That letter was written about programs like HotkeyNet that allow people to control multiple characters with a single key press. That's a different category of software from programs like LottaCam.


That letter shows how Mythic acts when it objects to a category of software.


After that letter was written, Mythic suspended and terminated many dozens of accounts for using HotkeyNet and similar programs.


That's what Mythic does when it decides that a category of software violates the rules.


Then Mythic sent emails to the account owners explaining what they did wrong and listing the violated rules.


That's what Mythic does when it decides that a category of software violates the rules.


They do the same thing with radar programs and automatic crafting programs.


Mythic has never done anything of that sort with programs like LottaCam. They've never said or hinted in any way whatsoever that they object to LottaCam.

 

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Hell Mythic could allow 3+ clients to be loaded without LC...
http://vnboards.ign.com/Boards/Message.aspx?brd=23441&topic=112614081&start=112615211


I really wish Mythic had chosen to allow HKN...
-Jo

 

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In January 2010, or maybe it was February, when Mythic began holding meetings internally to decide whether to prohibit HotkeyNet, I wrote to three different Mythic employees and offered to help them solve the problems that HotkeyNet was causing. I talked to two of them behind the scenes for a while.


For the previous three years (since HotkeyNet's public beta began) they hadn't objected to HotkeyNet. The thing that suddenly made them upset was that they thought HotkeyNet was being used by commercial farming companies who were camping certain encounters 24/7 on Ywain.


For a while last year it seemed like Mythic might decide to continue to allow HotkeyNet. Lori Hyrup, former DAOC producer, even joined HotkeyNet's forum on its website and talked to users there about the situation.


What I was prepared to do, if the Mythic employees had taken me up on my offer to help them, was put a switch in HotkeyNet that they could call from game.dll. They could have used that switch to turn HotkeyNet off in places where it bothered people (like the camped encounters and NF) and turn it on in other zones (like instances) where it doesn't bother anyone.


They also could have used this switch to allow players in RvR to set a flag that would prevent them from attacking or being attacked by a HotkeyNet user. That way, people who like to fight multiboxers could do so and people who don't like it would be immune to them. (Not all DAOC multiboxers used HotkeyNet but most did.)


I also was willing to tell them, if they had asked, how to add four lines of code to game.dll that would disable programs like HotkeyNet completely.


I also offered to help them redesign the camped encounters so that the encounters couldn't be multiboxed by anyone regardless of whether the players were using HotkeyNet or anything else.


They didn't take me up on my offer.

 

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