KappenWizzbang Title: Reverend Blue Jeans Posts: 141 Registered: 2004-1-30 07:39:15
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
jhonto posted: I think what has happened is that the PvE players who used to be more relaxed about things have all left the game, primarily because their preferred style of gameplay has been trivialized I would imagine; what are left is mostly the PvP players who are more focused on what they are doing and a little less willing to take time to help someone with questions. Thats making some broad generalizations I agree, but I doubt there are all that many PvE focused players in game any more, and they are usually the social backbone of any MMO. PvP players are a tiny segment of the population - even in a game with a heavy PvP slant like this one.
We drove off all the very friendly people who are less competitive and are left with the most competitive players. Sometimes but not always they have less time for someone who doesn't already know everything. Along the way the game began dying.
I just came back to the game after leaving when NF went live. I have discovered that a ton of things have changed, that you can't rely on the web for information because so much of it is wrong, and that there are no good sources of information other than other players. The best thing you can do is join a good guild which has enough members that there is someone around to pick the brain of when required. I am having a lot of fun but its definitely not the game I left back when NF came out. Realm Pride is completely gone for instance. People take a keep, switch realms and 5 mins later they are retaking it etc.
This is largely true, plus Vent has become the main chat for experienced players. If you don't have it, you're out, simple as that.
Back in the day, guild groups would have their own voice channels and have some people relaying to game chat. So you'd have the majority of people in game chat and a handful of groups in voice chat. The proportions seemed exactly the opposite last time I was in game.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
i always try to help people when im in game and on my pve toons. there are a lot of helpful people out there still. when i reupped after a 2 year break, i just ran up to a grp of people and asked, hey which one of your guilds is recruiting and doesnt have a lamer online reregistration? and BAM got an invite~
sadly its the elitists that are the most vocal in game rather than the majority of players. its just that the elitists are usually the ones that know the game best, so if they actually help you, they will expand your daoc mind~ trippy shit i know~ but most of the time they just call you bad and never bother to inform.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
PowPowParn posted: i always try to help people when im in game and on my pve toons. there are a lot of helpful people out there still. when i reupped after a 2 year break, i just ran up to a grp of people and asked, hey which one of your guilds is recruiting and doesnt have a lamer online reregistration? and BAM got an invite~
sadly its the elitists that are the most vocal in game rather than the majority of players. its just that the elitists are usually the ones that know the game best, so if they actually help you, they will expand your daoc mind~ trippy shit i know~ but most of the time they just call you bad and never bother to inform.
much truth here.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
Yeah by no means did I mean to imply that there aren't helpful folks in game. I have met some of them and the guild I am in is great (Asarna's Arme, originally from Mid/Perc where I played). When I was templating my hunter I had someone give me many of the items I needed, saving me 30p or so at least. Very generous of them and as I had almost no money a real boon.
I seriously never understand how the folks they put in charge of developing for games like this simply do not get what makes the game work so well. The changes they have made in this game have driven it down to its current population levels, showing a consistent failure to understand what made it a great game when it came out. The same thing has happened in other MMOs I have played (I'm looking at you SOE/Starwars Galaxies). What the players claim to want is not always the best thing for the game - they are not by and large game designers themselves after all. Too many companies listen too closely to their playerbase too much of the time (Warhammer Online was built entirely along those lines I think, thus its huge failure as a game).
DarkPCK Title: Got to go house is on fire. Posts: 457 Registered: 2003-12-14 12:38:01
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
CrzyHawk posted: I think the point he was trying to make about not being soj ML10 is that he can't port back and forth in groups for DTF...so from the GROUP's perspective, he is worthless. Doing DTF without porting is inefficient at best. He's better off just grinding or questing imo. being a minstrel in itself isn't conducive to getting exp groups anyways.
I thought it was implicit that you can use port stones, the tin foil hat, etc to solo it, as that's what non-sojourners do. As a 44, a minstrel can solo the elementals (or whatever they're called) anyway.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
Your first aim should be to get to 50, not to RvR for bounty points. A sub-50 character is pretty worthless in RvR, unless you plan on taking a break by visiting battlegrounds.
Somewhere between 45-50 you'll ideally need to start getting your template sorted. If you can get all the artifacts you need for your template at 45, it'll mean they're level 10 before your character hits level 50. This is where you'll need a guild or some friends to give you the scrolls and artifact credit you need. You can also ask your guild/friends for enough ML credit to get you to a master level you need, casters can get away with speedwarp at a bare minimum, etc.
Find PvE groups aimed at levelling up, not doing repeatable quests.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
DarkPCK posted:
CrzyHawk posted: I think the point he was trying to make about not being soj ML10 is that he can't port back and forth in groups for DTF...so from the GROUP's perspective, he is worthless. Doing DTF without porting is inefficient at best. He's better off just grinding or questing imo. being a minstrel in itself isn't conducive to getting exp groups anyways.
I thought it was implicit that you can use port stones, the tin foil hat, etc to solo it, as that's what non-sojourners do. As a 44, a minstrel can solo the elementals (or whatever they're called) anyway.
Since he just came back, its likely he only has port to bind. He probably doesn't have a house or guild house he can port to, and it's a fairly long run either to the turn in from camelot OR to the mobs from the nearest port. I still say it's pretty inefficient to do in Alb.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
CrzyHawk posted:
DarkPCK posted:
CrzyHawk posted: I think the point he was trying to make about not being soj ML10 is that he can't port back and forth in groups for DTF...so from the GROUP's perspective, he is worthless. Doing DTF without porting is inefficient at best. He's better off just grinding or questing imo. being a minstrel in itself isn't conducive to getting exp groups anyways.
I thought it was implicit that you can use port stones, the tin foil hat, etc to solo it, as that's what non-sojourners do. As a 44, a minstrel can solo the elementals (or whatever they're called) anyway.
Since he just came back, its likely he only has port to bind. He probably doesn't have a house or guild house he can port to, and it's a fairly long run either to the turn in from camelot OR to the mobs from the nearest port. I still say it's pretty inefficient to do in Alb.
they also nerfed port stones so you cant drop them and have to wait the 1hr? to use them again.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
angryranger posted: Mythic launched the game and made realm rewards more important than individual rewards. What benefited the realm (keeps, relics, etc) >> what benefitted individuals. Also, it was much harder to cross realm, and buff bots were unknown. People needed each other to enjoy the game. TOA started the denegration into solo rewards. Rare drops, when you gain, I lose, etc. People hated their realm mates more than the enemy. Scroll drops, levelling artifacts, etc. Then they added instance dungeons and soloable classes. People no longer needed their realm mates to succeed. Toss in the explosion of buff bots, easy realm switching and /level, and you see the destruction of any semblance of community. It was a fragile and precious thing, realm community, but Mythic didn't get it. They still don't.
Well said... But Mythic is gone now, so maybe, just maybe, EA will get it. Based on some of the vanilla games EA has put out lately, I doubt it, but just maybe...
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Veterans and Elitists.
DiaryOfDreamsAmok posted:
angryranger posted: Mythic launched the game and made realm rewards more important than individual rewards. What benefited the realm (keeps, relics, etc) >> what benefitted individuals. Also, it was much harder to cross realm, and buff bots were unknown. People needed each other to enjoy the game. TOA started the denegration into solo rewards. Rare drops, when you gain, I lose, etc. People hated their realm mates more than the enemy. Scroll drops, levelling artifacts, etc. Then they added instance dungeons and soloable classes. People no longer needed their realm mates to succeed. Toss in the explosion of buff bots, easy realm switching and /level, and you see the destruction of any semblance of community. It was a fragile and precious thing, realm community, but Mythic didn't get it. They still don't.
Well said... But Mythic is gone now, so maybe, just maybe, EA will get it. Based on some of the vanilla games EA has put out lately, I doubt it, but just maybe...
thank you. ANother stupid move was to put flames on keeps and mark battles on map. Some of us stealthers used to enjoy providing intell to our realm
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