Anyone who's tried to make a template for a hybrid can tell you it's a royal pain. Trying to cap 4-5 stats instead of just 3 is extremely tough, if not impossible, to do while still maintaining other bonuses.

Since the "pure" classes tend to have superior abilities anyway, why not make strength the universal acuity stat for hybrids? This would ease templating stresses, as well as improve classes that are underperforming in most situations. Let's face it, if a hybrid doesn't have charge or something else that's absolutely vital (like endo for pallies), they are almost universally unwanted. A few exceptions would need to be made (Heretic), but what does everyone think about the general principle?

this is a big issue right now. Templating hybrid's is insane and "primary" classes are getting easier with more and more room for toys.


The gap is growing, especially now after the recent hybrid slam nerf and universal "block vs dual weild" nerfs.


Hybrids have little to no place unless they are the Song class, have Stoicism, Charge or Heals.


Equipment changes need to be addressed as well as "casting stat" problems inherent to hybrids.

 

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You could make the argument that hybrids are supposed to be hard to template because you're not supposed to get everything.
You gear and spec towards different ends.


That said, i agree that it's unfair from a templating standpoint. Problem here is that many hybrids would get close to 400 in their "acuty" stat, which is just crazy.

Better give them other things, like spell piercing or range buffs to make templating easier.

 

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like cs does?

 

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Yes but with the added convenience of being a self buff and not an item use.

 

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No way in hell. They have been balanced around their current stats and stuff now. It isn't that difficult to make a hybrid temp as it is. If you can't do it I suggest searching the class boards. Plenty of good ones to go around.

I never had a problem making a great template for a Minst, Reaver, Valk, or my old Champ.

 

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If they were balanced, they would be wanted in rvr. Go try and find a non-zerg group as a champion, thane, or reaver. If you don't have charge or something else a group needs (like endo), you aren't wanted. That's not balanced.

Also, a champion doesn't really need their acuity stat. Same with paladins. I'm not lumping skalds / mins / bards in, because I consider them to be their own unique archetype, not a hybrid.

I see Champions and Reavers in groups all of the time... mostly Champs.

Thanes have problems much larger than their acuity stat.

And with the ML10 gear I don't see how it is difficult to make a template that min/max most of the important stats for Hybrids.

 

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those are not hard to temp, valewalker solotemps are the premier league of templating imho - and valk if you want a really excellent grptemp with 10% pierce. -.-

 

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None of these are hard to temp at all. People are trying to make a problem out of something that is actually a benefit to the class, their versatility. It's silly to lament about templating issues based on the fact that your class has options & choices. When you're a jack of many/all trades, then that's just an issue that you have to live with, you have to make decisions on what to focus on. If you can make perfect templates for hybrids, then you end up with cookie cutter temps, specs, and play-styles.

Take Thane's for example, people love to claim they're hard to template. Sure they are if you think you're going to have capped Parry, Shield, melee skill, melee stats, casting skill, casting stats, perfect ToAs for both naturally, and also have 400 HPs, perfect resists, etc.

I have a fix for Thane's templating issues! Remove Parry spec! Now you can template! woohoo!

The whole point of the class, and many like it, is that some people can template and/or spec for a heavier focus on melee, and others will template and/or spec for stronger casting abilities. Either way you choose you certainly can still do the other, but not quite as well as someone who chooses focuses on that aspect. That's not a detriment to the class, that's a bonus!

For example, say you focus on magic DPS in your Thane's spec & template and you had to sacrifice both Parry & Shield skill. As you get to higher RRs and past your basic RAs, you can still end up capping out your defense if you want thanks to MoParry & MoB. Why do you need the Heretics RP buff, when Heretic's won't ever see Parry spec and access to MoParry? Are you at a disadvantage for having more spec & thus template options? That's ridiculous logic. You're at an advantage because having more options is always a good thing, especially since the RA system has lots of priceerformance sweet spots due to diminishing returns on a single RA.


The real problem is that players of the classes that claim they're hard to template simply want to have their cake and eat it too.

In that case my Heretic would like 2.5x spec points, because I'm being forced to decide between a focus on melee or magic! (Same for Friars, Minstrels, Smite Clerics, and many other hybrids...)

 

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