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Achilles_17  1 star
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Registered: 2006-1-2 12:28:07
1) 1% Realm Point Bonus for up to 30 days. Every day you log into the same realm you get 1% more bonus to a cap of 30%. Once you load into another realm bonus resets.

2) Implement a quest a player can complete to be able to zone into DF. Make it wherever you want in NF to spread out the action, and relatively easy to complete without RvR fighting/dying.

3) Re-introduce Doppelgangers. Put them in the same places in NF, but make them worth 250 Rps.

4) Make relics MUCH easier to swap hands. Make it to where anyone standing in front of the relic for 5 minutes will trigger the relic to start coming down from the pedestal.

5) Nothing to do with RvR, but re-introduce Infernal Sleeves. Make them 100-200 plat to purchase to get some of the plat out of the economy.


Do this & Fix the Herald Stats section and you will have a game worth really getting excited about and bringing friends back to stay long term to play.

 

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DoorknobMLF  3 stars
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doppelgangers were ok, but PvE farming your RPs isn't good, and when you put doppels all it does is make people camp them, which makes for some pretty lame RvR, unless you run a smallman with speed/mez, or a full group, and just run over all the solo's that try to look for action around the doppels.

Yes perhaps some sort of realm loyalty bonus would be ok. But they should re-work the relic so that for 1 week after a relic is captured, you only get the bonus if you log exclusively into that realm. After a week, let everyone get the bonus. You should not be able to try to defend a relic, and fail, and then log into the realm that got the relics for the full bonus.

No you shouldn't make relics that easy to swap hands.

Also these 5 changes would not make a significant difference on the quality of the game, at least not in a positive direction.

 

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Stangkilla  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-26 16:09:33
Achilles_17 posted:

1) 1% Realm Point Bonus for up to 30 days. Every day you log into the same realm you get 1% more bonus to a cap of 30%. Once you load into another realm bonus resets.

2) Implement a quest a player can complete to be able to zone into DF. Make it wherever you want in NF to spread out the action, and relatively easy to complete without RvR fighting/dying.

3) Re-introduce Doppelgangers. Put them in the same places in NF, but make them worth 250 Rps.

4) Make relics MUCH easier to swap hands. Make it to where anyone standing in front of the relic for 5 minutes will trigger the relic to start coming down from the pedestal.

5) Nothing to do with RvR, but re-introduce Infernal Sleeves. Make them 100-200 plat to purchase to get some of the plat out of the economy.


Do this & Fix the Herald Stats section and you will have a game worth really getting excited about and bringing friends back to stay long term to play.



1) Umm no. I shouldn't be penalized because the game is dying, and all of my toons are on one cluster.
2) W/E
3) Umm no. This is a RVR/PVP game, not PVE.
4) Relics need to mean something. I mean yeah lets just turn them into OP'd laby relics....
5) W/E

 

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Chilliconcarvy  1 star
Posts: 92
Registered: 2008-8-2 03:23:46
1 and 2 were decent ideas, rest were LOLPANTS!
Semi4  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-8-8 13:58:29
Achilles_17 posted:

1) 1% Realm Point Bonus for up to 30 days. Every day you log into the same realm you get 1% more bonus to a cap of 30%. Once you load into another realm bonus resets.

[colorurple]No.[/color]

2) Implement a quest a player can complete to be able to zone into DF. Make it wherever you want in NF to spread out the action, and relatively easy to complete without RvR fighting/dying.

[colorurple]No.[/color]

3) Re-introduce Doppelgangers. Put them in the same places in NF, but make them worth 250 Rps.

[colorurple]Perhaps. I like the idea of having alternate methods of earning things in a game because it gives players options but adding one other isolated way to gain RPs is not enough. They need to add more ways imo.[/color]

4) Make relics MUCH easier to swap hands. Make it to where anyone standing in front of the relic for 5 minutes will trigger the relic to start coming down from the pedestal.

[colorurple]No.[/color]

5) Nothing to do with RvR, but re-introduce Infernal Sleeves. Make them 100-200 plat to purchase to get some of the plat out of the economy.

[colorurple]Perhaps, but money is so easy to come by now that this change would not really put much of a dent in the glut.[/color]


Do this & Fix the Herald Stats section and you will have a game worth really getting excited about and bringing friends back to stay long term to play.



DoorknobMLF posted:

. . . . PvE farming your RPs isn't good,

[colorurple]I would tend to disagree. Having alternative ways to gain things like RPs would be good.

First, it could remove some of the hatred that RP addicts have for others that like to assist realm mates (because of RPs these players that like to help others are now considered “Leaches” when they used to be considered players who had Realm Pride). If there were alternate ways to earn RPs then perhaps the RP addiction syndrome would be reduced a bit.

Second, RAs assist in farming, raids, etc. . . and PvE centric players should have a way to increase their RAs without being forced to spend huge amounts of time in RvR.


RvR centric players hate being forced to PvE. Why should it then be fine to force PvE centric players to RvR for huge amounts of time just so they can PvE as well as a player who loves to mostly RvR? Even though many RvR centric players may not want to admit it, we all know it is not fine to force/funnel players.[/color]


and when you put doppels all it does is make people camp them,

[colorurple]I agree. They should create a variety of alternate ways, not just one alternate.[/color]


Yes perhaps some sort of realm loyalty bonus would be ok. But they should re-work the relic so that for 1 week after a relic is captured, you only get the bonus if you log exclusively into that realm. After a week, let everyone get the bonus. You should not be able to try to defend a relic, and fail, and then log into the realm that got the relics for the full bonus.

[colorurple]I agree that if you were unable to defend the relic, or if you handed it over to the enemy, then for a few days or a week you should not get the bonus when you switch realms. That is a good idea.[/color]


Also these 5 changes would not make a significant difference on the quality of the game, at least not in a positive direction.

[colorurple]I mostly agree with this. Most of these ideas are not game changers except perhaps earning RPs via some types of PvE.[/color]



Stangkilla posted:

This is a RVR/PVP game, not PVE.



This once was as much a PvE game as it was an RvR game, but that was back when the population was 250k. The more Mythic changed the game to favor ‘RvR only’ the more the population declined. (Part of the cause of the decline was Mythic insistence on screwing their customers but a big part was not improving PvE . . . adding buggy/eclectic PvE is not “improving” PvE. Adding buggy/eclectic PvE is the opposite of “improving” PvE).


Imo the RvR was better back when the population was 250k. I would rather have a game that had good RvR and good PvE than just good RvR and the tiny population game that we have today.


The vast majority of MMO players are PvE centric. That does not mean they only PvE, they often PvP/RvR quite a bit which means that PvE centric players will add a lot to the RvR/PvP game. PvE centric just means that they like to PvE enough that if the game has lousy PvE then they will leave to find a game that has better PvE.


The number of RvR/PvP centric MMO players is small. If Bioware keeps focusing game changes to favor those players that are focused on PvP/RvR then DAoC will remain in decline until it is gone. I would rather have a good PvE aspect of DAoC as well as having good RvR and have 200k subs than have a dead game.


DAoC was at one time both an RvR and a PvE game.

 

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Aliciaday  2 stars
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Registered: 2007-2-28 16:34:34
Achilles_17 posted:

1) 1% Realm Point Bonus for up to 30 days. Every day you log into the same realm you get 1% more bonus to a cap of 30%. Once you load into another realm bonus resets.
Seems a lot of people like this idea, including me. While I don't think it will stop all the realm hopping, it does give incentive to those that are loyal to 1 realm, not to who has the upper hand atm.

2) Implement a quest a player can complete to be able to zone into DF. Make it wherever you want in NF to spread out the action, and relatively easy to complete without RvR fighting/dying.
Ummmm, don't they kind of already have that? The realm that holds the most keeps, gets to log into DF????

3) Re-introduce Doppelgangers. Put them in the same places in NF, but make them worth 250 Rps.
I'd like to see the Doppels return but in the same content they were. The cloaks were pretty decent, and fit into templates pretty nice.

4) Make relics MUCH easier to swap hands. Make it to where anyone standing in front of the relic for 5 minutes will trigger the relic to start coming down from the pedestal.
Nah, way to much has been made into easy mode in this game. Relics need not be touched, they need to be difficult to capture, and retrieve!

5) Nothing to do with RvR, but re-introduce Infernal Sleeves. Make them 100-200 plat to purchase to get some of the plat out of the economy.
Seriously???


Do this & Fix the Herald Stats section and you will have a game worth really getting excited about and bringing friends back to stay long term to play.
Again I say...Seriously??? You really think these things are gonna repopulate the game?

 

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DoorknobMLF  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-3-2 09:16:57
you know with your first idea,

every single person who plays only 1 realm is gonna love this idea.

every single person who plays 2 or 3 realms frequently is gonna hate this idea.

So why do people bother to state the obvious?

 

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Aliciaday  2 stars
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DoorknobMLF posted:

...So why do people bother to state the obvious?



Gives them something to post?

 

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Windwalkr  1 star
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I like the loyalty bonus, though I'd tone it down a bit more to cap at like 15-20%.

Doppels and the patches quests are neat, but there is a better way to implement a more permanent system. I was talking to a guy in game the other day and he had a great idea; a daily bonus quest that rewards the player with a sinlge say 1-1.5k RPs, as well as nice BPs and cash.

You could only do the quest once per RL day, and for ease of implementation you could even just tweak the current Assassin quest and maybe add some "gopher" quests and such. This would have the same effect as Doppels, but not to the point of people farming PvE mobs to get their RRs. It would get players out into all parts of NF, away from porting keeps, and naturally also bring out those players that want to hunt them. It wouldn't be enough to make stealth zergs want to camp spots like patches or Doppels, or be enough to make a living off for 8 mans, but for solos & duos it would provide options to find fights away from zergy choke points and hot spots.

 

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wiciri
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1. sure, though 30% is way too much.
2. No, you already have 2 ways to access df. Number of towers and the infernal weapons.
3. no. if you want to pve rps, do assassin or guard missions.
4. no. As it is now, there are good fights to be had in taking/defending relics.
5. don't care

 

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