Staghorn's lengthy above post nailed the issue perfectly.

Zerk's hit for that because Blademaster's can spec shield !!!


**Had to say it, no-one had yet.. and Galroth has yet to come along **


As a 6L4 Mage in MP Cloth fully SC'd with 48 + 15 Manna.. to keep things fair and all, shouldn't my PbAe be able to hit for that much?? Hell I can't do damage when being hit (Unlike tanks) but I still need to be sitting on the targets head to do my max damage (Like tanks). And HELL !! I mean they give up *some* defense in Vendo.. Hey I wear cloth.. with no Shield.. no Evade.. my staff can't parry for some reason... yet I can't do that damage?


No, I shouldn't be able to do that kind of damage... and Neither should Zerks or anyone freakin else at the speed at which they swing.


The chance to do the kind of damage they *can* and have demonstrated repeatedly that they *do* should not occur, especially at the speed they do it. With Vendo on a 7 min Timer to top it off. Thats the bottomline of all this zerk crap.


No-one should be one shotted, and Heavy Tanks should *NOT* be two shotted, by anyone.


And to those Mids that say well, I don't use Vendo.. its actually worse for me.. then why is it the most pre-dominat Mid Gank squads not only have 3 - 4 Zerk's per team and they all hit Bear Form just as they reach you half the time??


They all repeatedly have spasms and flinch and accidently hit Vendo *every* single encounter they have?


**waits for some moron to yell "We are the Mellee Realm!!..".. Well bucko I'm in the caster realm (Mellee/Caster Realm is BS) and with the most damaging spell type in the game, which revolves around me sitting on a Mellee's head while casting, doesn't come *close* to doing that kind of damage.**


Wait.. wait.. thats right.. another excuse is " You're Unique RA's are Better then ours!!!" Agreed. They are, but thats a completely different issue.


[Edit: **what i always find amusing is about 75-90% of hibs are more than willing to admit mana/light chanters are overpowered. Yet almost every mid defends zerkers, even though on average zerkers do more damage, have better armor, more HP, IP, etc.**


Yeah, funny that.]


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** I'm sorry.... are you complaining because a R7L3 Zerker got some good Crits on you and kicked yer R4L9 behind?


Try getting some MP AF102 Spellcrafted Gear and see if that changes anything. Maybe a few million more RP's would help too.**


Ohh !! So now Realm Rank is the issue. Ok, I’ll play you’re game, I’m a 6L4 mage in MP/Sc’d Cloth with 27 Effective Slash Resist and a C*something* Rank 3 Zerk (Sorry, name wasn’t my biggest concern) Hit me with her axe for 1071 a week ago.


Top End Gear… 3 Realm Ranks above the Zerk (using you’re RR logic)…. But that didn’t matter.. it all gets negated when Vendo comes along, huh?


** She whupped ya good, right now our zerkers are one of the few things keeping Midgard competitive. **


Yeah, wouldn’t it be such a bitch to have to use other classes instead of Zerk’s in every group??


*** Guarantee she had end regen or you would have watched that damage drop drastically ***


Ohh yeah, you’re right… lucky she had end regen.. whew!! Mids never have end regen right?? Hibs always have it… I mean…. Look at all the RvR active Bards !!!


**So chalk one up for the good guys, and sorry you gotta pick dirt out from between yer teeth. **


Good Guys? Well that’s your own perspective isn’t it?]

 

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Staghorn, it's been done before, often, and as in your SS people use RR6+ zerkers who have been buffed to the gills as examples.


Which makes me wonder why...again.


Rican, I do admit the war stories of people being hit for TREEEEE MILUN DAMUG is why I keep returning to the thread, so maybe the amusement goes both ways.


Brudan, what's the point of being a tank if you get three shotted by a caster?


Instant horrible death happens, not all the time, but it happens.


Hibernia has PBAE, Mid has Zerkers. Wow, horrible death from a caster in Hibernia, horrible death from a melee in Midgard. Almost kinda fits.


Before someone says that Zerkers are more common than dirt, the ones that do that type of damage AREN'T. They're fully aug buffed, endregen4 zerkers with a crapload of RA points.


You're complaining about a zerker in a constructed ganksquad, kinda like how some Hib ganksquads are built around pbae, and alb ganksquads are based around two clerics with BoF.


Zerkers won't get nerfed until Mythic gives Midgard something else as compensation. Because they're what we got to keep us competitive.


Zxae, had a PBAEr do 600 800 600 to me, the 800 was a crit, I'm sure. Maybe yer doing something wrong?

Dear god, no, please don't let Galroth into this thread. He'll bring up some statistics from 8 months ago about blademasters hitting for 5 times less damage than berserkers and throw in a comment about triple wield having no defensive penalty and CD not having to be specced to 50 and call it balanced.


*sprays Galroth-B-gone on the thread*


(Just poking a bit of fun actually. So Galroth, what say you about this?)

http://www.camelotherald.com/chardisplay.php?s=Guinevere&c=83424


This is Faeyd Meadowmist.


http://www.camelotherald.com/guilds/guild.php?s=Guinevere&g=1545


This is the guild Faeyd fights. They have much respect for Faeyd and his crew and their skills as a group. In fact go look at this weeks Against the Odds for Guinevere. Notice a trend? The top 7 guilds are zerker/savage squads.


While not trying to justify the damage that the zerker did because they obviously got huge crits on you, let me tell you what you did wrong. First, you did not protect your bard and druid. Like the good little deer boy you went straight for the healer. While you had tunnel vision on your healer the bard and the rest of your group that was partially afk got mezed and the bard died first. No more end regen for you. Then your casters died then your druid died. Finally while you are STILL trying to catch this healer, who mezed you and his job ended the first 5 seconds of the fight while most likely ignoring the Aug/Mend healer that was keeping him alive, the zerkers catch up to you and use thier most damaging styles on you in your back since you are ruthlessly after their healer whom you never will catch.


Sound about right for your typical encounter with a midgard group? I know this because this is me.


http://www.camelotherald.com/chardisplay.php?s=Guinevere&c=23305


The typcial group make up for hibs puts you at a disadvantage for fighting mids. The typical methods and mentality of your naturalists puts you at an even greater disadvantage. Serious thought has to be put into fighting these sorts of oponents because they are in every way shape and form designed to take you out. Caster heavy hib groups are especially lunch for them. The uber l337 chanters of Hib have nothing in small group combat on a zerker with good buffs and good resists. You are only as good as your support and how well you protect it.

Why do people keep bringing up realm points? The only realm ability a berserker can purchase to increase their damage is dualists reflexes. There is mastery of pain also, but since damage on the mainhand while in zerk mode is the issue, none of these abilities have any effect whatsoever on the situation.


Why do people think like this: realm points = win? That's rubbish, especially when there are no inherent abilities a berserker can get to increase their most insane damage. You only need to be R3L1 to have IP and purge, so I really think we can do away with the "it's only RR8+ zerkers" idea.

"Hibernia has PBAE, Mid has Zerkers. Wow, horrible death from a caster in Hibernia, horrible death from a melee in Midgard. Almost kinda fits. "


uhhhh mid actually has the strongest PBAOE AND has aoe stun in two forms...

 

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That's amusing Sanger.


**Zxae, had a PBAEr do 600 800 600 to me, the 800 was a crit, I'm sure. Maybe yer doing something wrong? **


800 was definately a crit.


Why in gods name were you standing there letting the PbAe's sit inside you and cast? Hell, interupting him would of been hard.. sneeze is his general direction.


What is you're energy resists?


Yes, I can hit that hard if I come accross an AFK group.. jump inside them.. hope they have low energy resists.. and then pbAe!!


I Don't care how good the PbAe'er is.. unlike zerker's /stick, Vendo, Spam Doublefrost..


A Mage however, can't /stick, Spam PbAe and cast while someone's running away from them.


Also.. Sanger.. yes Hib has PbAe, due to those being the only decent Spell Lines for the invidual classes. Did you know!! Mid has the strongest PbAe in the game??


Ohh, and you have AoE stun..


[Edit: Maybe Sanger, if Zerk's weren't SOO damn dominant at what they do, Zerk's wouldn't be the main class used in gank groups and Mid would have a chance to learn how to use its other classes to its advantage?


/sarcasm on


Yeah, Zerk's are the only class keeping Mid competitive. All you're other classes are gimps, none at all have been rated by Alb, Hib and Mid alike as being alot better then there respective counterparts.


Its not like you have the caster with the most complete spell lines? Or the best PbAe in the game? Or AoE stun? HTH Savages are such gimps arn't they? Warriors are so useless? Or the most useful End regen? And so on..


/sarcasm off.


Sorry, I cannot find and have yet to see a reasonable arguement that defends the excessive high damage Beserker's have a chance to do. As such, I do not see how anyone can say, with a straight face that is ok for any class to be able to 1/2/3 Shot othe realms heavey tanks, or 1 shot anyone for that matter.


**shrugs** I'm done, keep sending in Logs of the damage Beserker's have and can do, at the speeds they do it and maybe one day we'll see a damage cap, left axe nerf, or whatever. ]

 

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I got nuked for 750 and then 500 today, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. I have nearly maxxed resists and AOM 2... waaaahhh.. She only had 75k realm points! And I was not debuffed!!


Whoops.. Back on topic...


Sorry about that, but I wanted to get my complaint in for the day..


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That THERE was for the people that are telling him to get more ARE PEEZ

omg chel you noob. make your own whine thread.

 

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