But Stag, you've stated both of the following in this thread.


"In a 1 on 1 duel, sure, zerkers are less formidable and it isn’t that hard to defeat them. But real realm warfare is not as idyllic as that, Faed."


AND


"That is why this thread is addressing the issue of the overpowered zerker class"


Which is it? As I stated earlier. I think too many people think that they should win a fight more often than not. It cannot be that way for everyone. Somebody has to lose every battle. Somebody will be disappointed. All I ask is that you think before you cry nerf.


Believe me, if there needs to be a change I'm all for it. However, I don't like people whining or complaining, and other people jumping on the nerf bandwagon which leads to Mythic doing something they shouldn't.


Unfortunately I cannot comment intelligently on zerker damage. I've not had any experience either as a zerker, or being hit by a zerker. I'll not take either side in this issue. I just wish people would think a lil more before they post.


- Hajj

Yes Hajj, you are correct. People do want to win fights.


That's why when a group of a Shaman, 3 Zerks, 1 M/P Healer, 1 Supp Runie, 1 Skald, and 1 Pac Healer go out and totally devastate 16 Hibs/Albs, it gets frustrating.


Especially when main tanks get hit for over 1,000 damage on mainhand weapon hits.

Yes Vedaine, that seems like a pretty nice group. Unfortunately, I don't know what that is suppose to mean.


This thread is about zerkers and zerkers only. In particular, my post was directed at the conflict in Stag's comments. I'm only tryin to provoke a little thought here rather than have people immediately cry nerf.


- Hajj

I like how doing 1000 damage is justified by saying things like the target wasn't wearing a proper set of armor, his RP's are too low or he wasn't wearing his protective cup.


Yeah that all justifies that.

" This is the stupidest argument I've seen yet.


5 MoC Chanters = 70 total RA points


How much can 2-3 zerkers get for 70 RA points? "


Sorry. but that would be the stupidest arguement.


Because it does'nt say shit about what I just said.


Anyway, maybe you should start whinning on the right boards... apprently after 924892482 nerf zerker threads that have been made here alone, nothing has been done. Except on-going arguements or making a fool of yourself.


/directs people to the "Cry More Boards".

>>I've never heard of an Armsman being 3 shot by a LW user. << (Kowyn)


I have. But I'm level 49. I have 28% slash resist and 100 af armor. A level 40 did a back attack on me for 250 damage. I thought this was ridiculously high for being 9 levels below me. I turned towards him and all of his hits were blocked/parried at least. But at level 40? Don't know.. I've had my paladin 2-shotted (those extra armsman hitpoints help you die in three shots!!)

Thats exactly what we DON'T need more of Staghorn. This post isn't a "wakeup call" this post is a "oh no not this topic again I'm sick of this shit" call. This thread is more likely to put the readers of this vn board to sleep rather than light a fire under anyones arse. You will NEVER change their opinions, give it up, it just won't happen. I could post screenshots of me hitting in the 900-1300 range on non casters all damn day long, but it won't change a damn thing. This board isn't the outlet for it. All your post does is rehash the same old debate that has gone on for nearly 8 months now.


You want to change it? You gotta go over to the closed tester boards and make logical well thought out posts. I mean ones with data and figures, not just the "boohoo last night I got hit for xxxx damage".


GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP


Nothing you EVER say here will EVER have effect on the game. It only has the effect of annoying the piss out of me and any other vn user here that is sick and tired of the damn subject.


JESUS SQUEEZE US

Does that mean no more Nerf BoF threads too?

Yeah . . . Skeggjold is quite right about that. Old topic, and people are already decided, so talking it over more is pretty useless.


<-- A guilty party. I will refraid from comment from now on.


Edit: GREAT idea, Jarv. For that matter, how about NO MORE NERF THREADS EVER!

Don't forget 'gank' threads. I'd like to see them go too.


- Hajj