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LA trying to convince people their merit is fully skills?


Werent Release deleting the savages?!?


Lysergicc Warp,

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a valid arguement means that it's conclusion follows from it's premises. My arguement had a logical conclusion that followed from it's premises i.e. a valid arguement.


Just because you don't know what a word means doesn't mean it's wrong and certainly doesn't mean that I don't.


OH and BTW you'll get nowhere trying to argue against Advantage = Advantage because it's a basic principle of logic. I stated that in my arguement to assure you that I do not have multiple meanings of the word and to dispell any ambiguity in language.


"a = a" and you said "NO IT DOESN"T OMG"

Perhaps Stand's calculations are not 100% correct, but it's close enough for everyone to get the point.


Great point Spifnar...


The answer for LA, roll some Albs and get RR10 on them. Then you can enjoy SoS and BoF for yourself.

 

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Wow this discussion is extremely dumb.


So I will respond to some of the comments made in this discussion.


"LA is bascially pathetic without Savages. Everyone pretty much know that."


When I made my savage, it was when the expansion came out, many said it was a "gimp" class and did not know how good it was. For those who say why dont you run warriors? Well if your class that was not overpowered when you made it became overpowered would you remake? I don't think so. Warriors are a great class, if I could instantly make a level 50 warrior and have it be high realm rank like my savage, I wouldn't hesitate to. The facts are that we made our classes before they were considered overpowered. When we came to lance way back when, people told us that we would be destroyed due to this was a PBAE server and casters ruled etc. We made our tanks that many considered crazy to do at the time. So what? We made it work and we are not going to suddenly remake because people feel its "overpowered" now.


"Thought LA was playing Hibby's now? Wonders what happen w\ that ."


We went to hib/merlin and dominated, beat the high realm rank groups and killed zergs. So you ask what happened, why did we leave? Some might "think" that it was cause oh no, we were not good enough, we must return to our overpowered savages! No, we left because hibernia became the zerg on the server and we would run around for 2 hrs and get 1-2 good fights that would be interrupted by hib zerg. We got 1 million rps in a couple weeks, it wasn't like we "sucked" or somethin like you may think.


"Would love to see LA run a group like deleted does. If they can kill 60+ albs in open field rvr with that group then you will prove you have skill. Deleted runs a warrior gank group and while they do well they cant take on the whole alb zerg with just their 1 group."


How bout you go make a merc just because some people feel an armsman is overpowered? Sorry we do not enjoy releveling, I was the 2nd level 50 savage on the server, and no one had any idea how they were.


"We ran with a "BD" for 2.5 million rp's. <--- That's says enough right there."


Thats why you see so many BD's dominating in gank groups huh? Everyone is making the BD gank groups everywhere? No. We ran it because we felt it was good for the abs buff and a good counter to bof/sos. The problem with the BD is they run out of mana extremely fast.


"they beat the game on ezmode, they wanna beat it with super ez mode.


Sorry LA but there are no hidden cookies or easter eggs for you to find in the game. Once you beat it on ezmode its over.


Well I guess you could try playing on regular mode and play hib more, you already have the toons. Or even go and play on very hard mode and play alb. Oh wait you did play alb for awhile and after more then 1 year of playing were only RR6 and then decided you wanted to be on ezmode.


If LA could do what they do now with a warrior group then why did you roll a savage/zerker group? I remember olympic hitting me for 1400+ dmg. Never remember ghaletull hitting me for more then 500 dmg."


Honestly, this has to be one of the only servers that feel alb is "hard" mode. I agree albs have it the hardest to make a solid pickup group, due to a set group needs a variety of classes. But once an alb group has a "set group" and RR5+, they have the best utility and can defeat any group, or few pickup groups with ease. Alb is not "super hard mode" it is just as easy, if not easier then the rest with a set good group. Hibs are also a good realm for a gank group due to they have very good survivability in a set group. Ahamade, I used to think you were cool, but lately you have joined the rest of the whiners. Probably you will be one of the people who will think this savage nerf is not enough due to we can still kill people!


BTW, do not even talk about us playing albs for 1 yr. A few of us played Albion, but not as a guild, that was not Lagged Again, I did not run the guild, or have a gank group there. And R6 at the time was huge, due to RPs were extremely hard to get due to 1. group RP bonuses were not in the game, resulting in low RPs per kill. 2. it was a small server. 3. the game was COMPLETELY different. Do not even try to compare the past of DAOC to now.


And we do not hit fights that are in progress, because I feel that it is their fight, and if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they win. Hell, its just emain, this isn't like people are going for relics and crap. This is just people trying to get RPs so it really does not matter.


Also, the only time that we might "sometimes" hit another group right after they fight, is if they are some group that has been hitting us during our fights, so we will hit them back. We usually give a group a few minutes after they fight, and if they happen to stay in that place for a few minutes, then they deserve to be hit up. You expect us to be like oh look the alb group that just fought, lets run by and hope they do not engage, to groups that would hit us up while we are fighting already double/triple our numbers? Ya okay Ahamade.


Tons of people cry things like, lets see you succeed with this group setup, or that group setup in this realm, or that realm. The fact is you can put any good 8 players and make a solid group, we are a small guild and play with the same people which makes us stronger. If you are a larger guild who runs with different people everyday, thats your problem. We do not have the time to remake all these different classes just to prove to people what we can do.


Flame on!

"Would love to see LA run a group like deleted does. If they can kill 60+ albs in open field rvr with that group then you will prove you have skill. Deleted runs a warrior gank group and while they do well they cant take on the whole alb zerg with just their 1 group."


bleh we are just lucky

 

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No you see, you said "Savages = Advantage, SOS = Advantage". Then said "Advantage = Advantage".


That's like saying "dogs = animals", "cats = animals", therefore "dogs = cats". There are different factors which contribute to each 'advantage' in different ways. You made a statement based on false premeses, by trying to pass the magnitude of advantage off as equal. The basic fundamental Identity Property of logic does state that any variable must equal itself, but it also gets a bit more complicated when you are using the Transitive Property (a = b, c = a, therefore a = c). This is an accepted property in Mathematics, but you used invalid parameters for stating an equivalence in "a" and "b". The fact of the matter is the magnitudes simply cannot be measured, and the Transitive Property applies for numerical values. So saying 2a = 5b, 3c = 5b, therefore 2a = 3c is perfectly valid. Fact of the matter is that you are basically using qualitative data in this very property. You are trying to somehow measure the 'advantage factor' (which you have not specified how to calculate) and trying to make a comparision based on this. The very foundation of your argument is flawed, because there is neither a discrete or continuous method on measuring this factor. You are going by YOUR beliefs on how much of an advantage, and coincidentally *all of the things you stated match eachother with 100% correlation in their advantage factor*. That's your major fundamental flaw, not only have you placed a numerical value on something qualitative - but your premises are based on the assumption that the SOS/BOF/Savage/disease factors (which you also made up) are EQUAL to eachother.


imo you should stop now and realize that your approach on this problem is Mathematically ludicrous, and shouldn't use bullshit figures to deceive people. Did you really expect no one to catch on to this? Honestly, were you typing your argument out saying "I know what I'm doing" in mind? You overlooked some vital facts at the very foundation of your data and stated them, passing them off as an assumed "true". The fact of the matter is that due to the fact that you cannot quantitatively measure these values, a conclusion based on calculations is indeterminable - and more along the lines of opinion-based.


It's YOUR personal opinion that SOS = Savage = BOF = pbae disease. Just give up, there's no real way to justify made up numbers other than "they were constructed from personal opinion"


-Anty

hi guys need a healer ?

I think Conclave is begging for a group.


haha

hehe. i think i'm going to change my lastname to ISLFG