I'm not going to argue with you Drak, we can let people decide for themselves what you ment to say. I suggest that you post your "call for testers" on the Decal Developers forum.


Here, this is mainly "end users". I mean that was the whole reason why the Decal Devs elected to take support for Decal to another site, so they could control the posts and not have to deal with the "end users" ... right?

I wasn't posting a "call for testers"... because we don't need anymore.


We have all the testers we need, and all the current testing we need going on.


We already posted a call for testers a long time ago, and have more than filled the previous need.


You can attempt to read into what I'm saying all you want, but the end result is the same..


Decal is not currently meant for end-users. It is not currently supported for end-users.


Unless you're a tester, then you most likely should not be running alpha decal's (especially old ones) and if you do, then don't expect ANY support on it.. ESPECIALLY old versions.

Ah, my bad, so when you said this, you were addressing the people who are on your "list" as testers.


I stand corrected, I thought you were talking to the people who get their directions here, and not on the "Official Decal Page".





My bad, so to summarize:


1) All Decal "testers" should not use Alpha 3, they should be using Alpha 4.

2) Anyone not a "tester" should not be using Decal at all.


Ah, it is much clearer now.

Arch, you just love this don't you...


Here we go... I am a tester... I do not test Decal, I test Eltank.


Eltank was opened to us with Decal 3, I helped test it, helped with a few issues... and now I wait for the next release (nothing new will be released for the Alpha 3 version of Decal).


Eltank was not released with Decal 4 due to some issues...


Eltank Maybe updated (New Release) with Decal Alpha 5, but until Decal 5 is opened to those of us who help the Plug-in Developers test, I will stay with the last working version.


I understand that some folks (non-testers) are currently using Decal Alpha 3 and 4 along with plug-ins that have been made available to them... Some of us choose when we can to help these folks, we understand that not all of these folks should be using the alpha software... we get fed up answering the same question over and over again... and yes, I tend to think that no question should be answered where the same question is asked and already answered on the same page... but searches are hard at times.


I am also a firm supporter of redirecting questions to a proper board... Point an Eltank question to Elgar's forums, a Gouru Question to his forums, a question about dual client to Drakier's... If no forums are available then there are limited choices for folks to ask for help... but where one is available, go there to ask, questions will be answered faster and more correctly by people you get to recognize as "Knowledgeable"... face it, anyone can answer a question on these boards, and that alone should scare you.

Yes, I am.





Yes, I agree, if you aren't a tester (like 90%+ of the people who use Decal or a plugin), then stick with the version that works, which in the case of Decal and ElTank, is Alpha 3.


Yes, I agree with YOU, 100% on that.

This is a simple issue really. It goes along with the old saying "if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem." Decal testers should be using the latest version of decal, otherwise they will likely point out problems which have already been fixed. If you feel the need to *use* an older version of decal, you are not helping the decal development *at all*. You are in fact, part of the problem. If you are using an older version of decal to help find bugs with a specific plugin, then I guess it depends on what that specific plugin author needs.


Let's get down to it. Everyone wants a functional Decal and lots of people want a functional ElTank or (insert favorite plugin here) and most of these people are too pigheaded to realize they should sit back and chill if they can handle what it takes to get it all working.


Ask not what the Decal devs can do for you...

"As your site says ...


"This release is, as was Alpha 3, intended for PLUGIN DEVELOPERS. Really. We're not kidding. This means that end-users should AVOID installing this, because all plugins will break. Wait until the plugin developers have released plugins compatible with Alpha 4."


Sorry, we are doing EXACTLY what the Decal Devs have said. Imagine that?!"


Actually, you are not doing anything of the sort. You failed to notice the phrase "as was Alpha 3." The decal devs have always maintained that users are free to attempt to get the public alphas working but they are not likely to get help if they can not help themselves. Maybe I've completely missed what you are getting at. Do you have a point?

This discussion sounds eerily familiar....

 

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Funny from several sides:


1. we don't want more testers

2. don't use old alpha's as then you won't be able to correctly report problems as a tester

3. don't use decal alpha it at all unless your a tester

4. you should be using the latest alpha to help report any outstanding problems

5. please return to #1 and start over


That pretty much sum it up or did I miss something?