If so please post link here, thanks.

 

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http://decal.acdev.org - there is a link in the forums.

Direct Link to Alpha 3: http://decal.acdev.org/files/Decal-alpha3-c3.msi

 

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You shouldn't be using outdated versions of the software. Alpha 4 is the latest publically available, and Alpha 5 is on it's way out sometime soon. Old versions are old because they have known issues which have been fixed, and it doesn't help us at all to be testing old versions.


Please keep in mind that this is alpha testing, not alpha playing. We need people to properly test and use the software so we can fix it and get it released sooner. The quicker we can get and take care of problems, the faster we can move onto Beta and eventually Release.


Testing older versions doens't help us with anything since any problems you may find are most likely known issues and have been fixed in a later version.

Sorry Drak, 95% of the people out there are "Alpha Playing". Now is not the time to say "we need people to test the software, but we aren't going to give you any support".


It's fine for, as you say, Developers to test Alpha 4 and 5, but like you say/imply, the rest of us morons out there who can't google for an answer or know how to file a proper report are just too stupid to be of use to you guys. Thus, we only use what we know.





As your site says ... "This release is, as was Alpha 3, intended for PLUGIN DEVELOPERS. Really. We're not kidding. This means that end-users should AVOID installing this, because all plugins will break. Wait until the plugin developers have released plugins compatible with Alpha 4."


Sorry, we are doing EXACTLY what the Decal Devs have said. Imagine that?!

I have to say somthing here.


I am not a developer. I don't want to be an Alpha tester either. Yet for some reason the people who develop my favorite plugins have taken it upon themselves to no longer make the versions of their plugins which worked with old decal available any longer.


I can no longer use UST nor Tradebot nor Einstein. In another thread we are told:

" Decal is still in ALPHA.. don't expect anything 'working' for quite a while still. At least until late beta.


Some plugins may semi-work as is, but you have to keep in mind that these build of Decal are not meant for end-user consumption, and are really only meant for developers and qualified testers to give us bug reports and allow us to fix problems."


So as an end-user right now I only have el-tank and a smattering of plugins I don't need available to me if I decide not to upgrade my decal to the alpha 4 version.


You have the developer's repect. How about you gently remind them that the alpha4 version of decal is not for end users and suggest they make available their older plugin versions for us end-users.


That would be really great.

<< Sorry Drak, 95% of the people out there are "Alpha Playing". Now is not the time to say "we need people to test the software, but we aren't going to give you any support". >>


Unless those "alpha players" are using the latest version then they really aren't providing much help now are they?

 

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"So as an end-user right now I only have el-tank and a smattering of plugins I don't need available to me if I decide not to upgrade my decal to the alpha 4 version.


You have the developer's repect. How about you gently remind them that the alpha4 version of decal is not for end users and suggest they make available their older plugin versions for us end-users.


That would be really great."


Technically.. there isn't a Decal AT ALL ready for "end-users".. Not until Decal is out of the testing phase. As long as Decal is in testing... more speficically ALPHA.. then it is not at all ready for end-users. Not Alpha 3, Alpha 4, Alpha 5 or any after that. Once Decal has gone through it's proper testing phases and is moved to Release, then and only then is it ready for end-users to use.


And I'm sure by the time Decal gets to Release, there will be more plugins available and working for it.. Einstein has actually already been updated and is now called EinsteinIt! by Gouru. UST was being worked on at one point. I'm not sure if the development on it has stopped until Decal is more stable or not... not that I blame ANY of the developers for not developing on Alpha decal.. it's very fluidic right now.


As I said.. once we hit Beta and the interfaces are locked in, we should be seeing a lot more active development on plugins knowing that they aren't going to break the next beta or test release. Currently, it's all changing to quickly.. which is what Alpha's do.


So back to my original point.. NONE of the Decal Alpha's or Test Decal's are ready for end-users. Many people don't agree with me, and that's their opinion to now... but as a Decal Developer, I'm saying that Decal is NOT ready for end-users, regardless of how much they need their ELTank or other plugins. It's just not ready.

Hence why I said it was a "catch-22", but I was told that it wasn't a "catch-22", so ... whatever.


I will continue to use Alpha 3 and ElTank, LifeTank, and Treestats (when it is up), until those 3 programs are operational under Alpha 4.








You may want to rethink what you said then, because those two quotes from you are in opposition.

how so?


technically no END-USERS should be running Decal Alpha.


as for the TESTERS of Decal Alpha, they should be running the latest versions.


the TESTERS are the Plugin Developers and the Computer Professionals capable of properly testing software and reporting bugs... which is not 90% of the people out there who are currently running Alpha Decal.


how is that a contradiction of any kind?