You guys so biased so 1 sided.


At lvl 30 you can't hunt lurkers or Obsidian Goleums unbuffed.


If you played you would know. I don't want to call you liars but definately mistruths or not full story given from your side.


Bandit won't help you with magic attacks - you obiviously were buffed at your level 50's or self buffed with your bandit. That was ancient history - you cant play that way today becuase monsters are overpowered.


Yes, buffs overpowers the players but only becuase playes are underpowered without them.


Buff Bots saved this game -


You guys are sad, live in your fantacies and drams - enough said.

<< Buff Bots saved this game - >>


And here I thought it was Ken Troops that saved AC...

 

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"At lvl 30 you can't hunt lurkers or Obsidian Goleums unbuffed."


nor SHOULD you be able to. That is the problem with buffbots. It ALLOWS level 30's to hunt things they SHOULDN'T be hunting.


You want to hunt drudges and golems at level 30, you should be hunting Sandstone, Granite and Iron golems. There aren't any level appropriate drudges for a level 30. The closest thing is a level 14 Drudge Slave.


Olthoi Gardeners, Olthoi Nymphs and Olthoi Drones are good for level 30s as well. Virindi Puppets also are some good hunting for that level, or if you don't like the magic creatures, there are Obeloth and Lithos Lugians which are good for lower level 30s.

The thing is, buffbots are merely an extention of something that has been a fact since the beginning of the game: a hybrid character is the most powerful. We don't 'need' spells because of buffbots, we need them because at some point everyone figured out that spells made you more powerful. Because of that, everyone started using them all the time.


Back in 2001, before Decal, buffbots did not exist, but you still would have been crazy to try to hunt high level content without full level 6 buffs. Ever go to the Aerlinthe lava flows?


All of the best melee/archer characters were designed as hybrids so they could have full buffs all the time. This was the reason for the popularity of the OG archer and the 10/10/100/100/55/55 dagger template.


Buffs were necessary for high level content way before buffbots or macroing.

 

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<<Buffs were necessary for high level content way before buffbots or macroing. >>


Bingo.


The high level content came after the extreme templates.


Buffbots were another revolution altogether. (which came later)

But the point wasn't about when Buffbots existed, but how they're being used.


People are now "playing" AC and not really knowing HOW to play AC. All the old school players remember having to self-buff and remember how much of a pain it was to have to rebuff every 10-15 minutes.


New players are just shown the buffbots and told to "go for it".


Come to think of it, I'm not ever sure where buffbots came from into the original conversation and the whole point of the debate... other than they cause players to not ever really know how to "play" their own character. I think that was the original point. Characters who existed pre-buffbot days knew how to play their characters (for the most part) because they didn't have the luxury. Characters who were created after buffbots are less knowledgable about their characters, and more reliant on the buffbots to play. That reliance is not necessarily a good thing.


Edit:

I think it all really comes down to the question of... "can you play your character 100% efficiently and effectively on patch days when Decal is down?"


if you can answer that question yes, then you are most likely a player who knows how to play their character. You aren't reliant on Decal, buffbots, etc. These are generally more old-school players who have the experience. It's the newer players that were brought up on the Decal and Buffbot bottles and don't have the skills to play without those things.

<< All the old school players remember having to self-buff and remember how much of a pain it was to have to rebuff every 10-15 minutes. >>


And you only buffed with protects/banes that you really needed. And due to a lack of spell expiration timer you either used some type of external timer or casta spell one level lower then your buffs to use as a "timer".


You could argue that even pre-buffbots that some people didn't know how to play their characters, they were the ones begging for buffs all the time.

 

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<<or casta spell one level lower then your buffs to use as a "timer". >>


Those were the days

cast one spell level lower to act as a timer.


Yeah, the old school folks THOUGHT about the game and playing. The kids today get armor/buffs and go kill without much thought if any. Even worse are those that get to the dungeon, click the start button for life/el-tank and then watch 'wiggles'

 

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