Tiviee: I play withotu buffbots.. I've never used a buffbot ever. I've only been buffed by someone else a few times EVER since I've been playing AC (since opening retail).


I'm very self-sufficient and I pride myself on being able to play the game with or without plugins, and with or without other people. I'm just as effective by myself as I am with others in a group in many cases (other than places that FORCE grouping due to levers or other mechanics).


It took a LOT of effort on my part to get my character to where I have it.. I started out weak in magics, and I took a LOT of time and levels to finally get all 3 schools. I played without Life and Creature for a LONG time, and started with only Item magic. Eventually after many levels, I picked up Life, and around level 90 I was finally able to pick up my Creature.


I played just fine without them. Was I as powerful as WITH them? No. But I was able to play, and suffice without. I had to find good armor and items to use in place of Creature magic, but I was capable of doing it.


So.. can the game be played without? Most definitely. Is it anywhere near impossible? Absolutely not. In fact, it's quite easy to play the game without buffbots or self-buffing even. Can you be a power gamer and fight in the absolute hardest place? No. But it's not always about being in the hardest place. That sounds like competition which I attempt to avoid. Hardly any good comes from me attempting to compete with the Power Gamers or people who spend all day every day ingame. I play very rarely because my schedule does not permit it. How can I assume I can keep up with the people who play 12 hours a day?


Maybe YOU want to be the best and that may be your motivation for UCMing because you feel you cannot attain "Maximum Level" or a maximized character without having the computer make up your levels for you. But I don't personally feel that is the point to the game. If you feel some inadequacy or need to be the best, *shrug* perhaps there are other issues you should be addressing rather than the UCMing ingame?

sure sure sure and you walked at 2 years old Drakier LOL


Just becuase I post on here does not mean I support or attack UCM, my highest lvl is 143 on any server. I play to have fun not have lvls. I admit I UCM from 90 to 140 but that is it(and I only have 2 of these 1 was pushed up by myself). Sorry if I am bad boy in your eyes or if I should have my virtual fingers cut off.


I am just saying Drakier, that intodays game, you could not do what you are saying, in all honesty. You see I am not calling you a liar, I am nice.


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I feel no need for UCM, it doesn't help me or the game any, I had my taste and had enough, Did I miss out a lot on the game, yes, I never did a queen quest, never visited caul, never new islands -was it due to UCN - NO - I just missed out, my loss -

what do you mean you couldn't do it in today's game?


I'm doing it. I'm proof that it's possible. I could start a new character and do it again just as easily, or actually.. even MORE easily considering the increase in XP from creatures... especially low level creatures.


It's completely possible. No one HAS to use buffbots, or plugins, or macros, or anything else. It's completely possible to play the game "pure". There are many players who do it currently. You might be surprised at how many people actually play AC pure (or fairly close to pure).

If there is a way to Play in TODAYS game from 5 to 100+ without buffs as a MELEE not mage, I would love to see a write up becuase I have never seen this game - I have tried many times and I get clobbered everytime I try - and it is no fun for a lvl 20 to hunt lvl 5 druges as the only way to live.


If true and can be proven I will be ist to admit and appologize. I have heard over and over it is possible and I affirm over and over it is not possible in todays game to play without buffs or help and without xp items.....


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Maybe I would be surprised but it is just as much a secret as the GW Macro pit - and i say it is Baloney and nonsense and not true, and if people have done it they are not telling the truth about how they did it. You can easily level with xp quest items and monster items and that is NOT PURE. Leveling by just hunting monsters is what I am talking about without any xp item from quest or monster - PROVE IT.

without ANY buffs? Ever? that's a personal character choice.


As I stated, I started with ONLY Item magic. I picked up Life after about 30 levels, and then picked up creature 60 levels later. That was MY personal character choice.


Its technically possible to play a pure melee without buffs. He's not going to be a very good character however because lack of magic would severly cripple the character, but it's still possible. Woudl you have to level off drudges for a long time? absolutely. Would you be 50 levels behind the curve? probably. Is it impossible? no. But IMO it would be pretty stupid to attempt to play a no-magic melee character. What are you going to put the skill points into instead?


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Pincer Turn-ins are part of the game and game mechanics... why are you bringing that stuff up?

That's ridiculous.

The Pure Player is absolute bull fodder becuase those so called Pure players have used trophy items, picers, quest items like alloys and other items to hand in to gain levels, Yes you can reach 30 just on the game junk to turn in for xp - having another Pure player vuln the monsters for you - That is not Pure.


Pure is playing on your own resources with the skills and points you have without turning in xp junk to level - yes it is possible but 5 years later you would still probably be under lvl 30 - just a nonsense argument - Maybe you like Ronald Regan to go back to better times but you find out those times were not any better - it was all a fairy tale.

I'm talkign about turning in YOUR OWN pincers.. not having someone turn in pincers while in fellow.


I'm talking Pure Player as a player who plays the game as intended without the use of Decal or other plugins/macros.


They can use the ingame mechanics to the best of their ability. They do not use buffbots or use fellow-turnins or anything like that. And yes.. it's possible.


the ONLY thing I personally use Decal for is Oracle of Dereth, NB2, Magellan, and occasionally 6th sense (while it worked). Those are the only plugins I've ever used. I didn't have need for other plugins, and I didn't use them. I used Oracle for navigation on the landscape, used Magellan for navigation in dungeons, NB2 for quick buff profiles (but I could buff just as easily and well manually.. just prefered to have profiles) and 6th sense when I was looking for Ralirea or other rare spawns.


I have played that way forever. While I don't personally consider myself a completely "pure" player, my playstyle is more pure than "average" these days. This isn't abotu how I played my character heover. It's about your claim that how I have played my character is impossible... then when I call you on it, you throw in weird stipulations on it. Maddy has a very similar playstyle to mine. It's far from impossible. Just takes more time, effort and dedication to your character. I play my character ingame as ME. Its an extension of me, so I hunt and quest as if it WERE me. I'm a classic role-player in that sense. I don't RP in the "thee thou" sense, but I treat the game world and my characters as extensions of myself and the real world. Which is also why it pisses me off so much when people treat the game world like crap and treat eachother like crap. I might be a little extreme in that sense, but I take personal pride in my characters and how I interact with others through that character ingame.


I'm a solo player mainly, and I've always been that way. I get by on my own, and I push the limits of what I know my character can do. Because I'm so intimately familiar with my character, I know what he can and cannot handle and how to get the maximum out of him. I know how it's best for him to tackle groups of creature, and I know when to not run him into a room full of creatures. I've PLAYED him since level 1 the hard way. Every second of his playtime I've been in complete control. THAT's what it's about in my opinion.

Drakier, you see - you are not as PURE as you thought you played. You are using the Loop-holes of the game to further you character - How is that any different than ACM which is allowed by CoC?

What are you talking about?


I never said I was a pure player. I'm more pure than the average player these days, but I never claimed that I am a pure player. But that is a far cry from me not being able to be. I can play as a completely pure player if required. If Decal was banned outright today, it would minimally affect me. But then again, I don't use Decal these days anyway because none of the plugins I used to use have been updated for ToD. Oracle doesn't work, NB2 doesn't work, Magellan doesn't work, and 6th sense doesn't work. So ... what plugins do I use? None.


I HAVE used plugins in the past, and when they worked, those were the plugins I used. But I could still play without them. That's the difference. Many players ingame these days CANNOT play without Decal. Buffbot babies, Mages who don't know how to play without some caster, etc. These are the types of characters that CANNOT play without Decal in the game. I can still play my characters just fine (and have). I'm not super high level. I'm not attempting to be. I play the game at my own pace, and don't attempt to compare my character to other characters in the level sense. I'm happy with his performance, and ultimately that's all that matters.


As for your "loop holes" what are you talking about? what "loop holes" am I using? I go to the eviscerator dungeon, grab a pincer, and go turn it in. How is that a loop hole? I go to AL and grab some tusker tusks, take them back to the guy, and turn it in. Where's the loop hole?


I don't hunt with "vulners" or any other assistance. I don't need to. I fail to see anywhere that I meantioned I play with "loop holes".

<< You never wore red socks and superman on your underwear LOL get a life..... >>


To the best of my knowledge, no I did not.


Now again, what is so hard in not playing without buffbots?

 

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