I use ElTank but it's loss with not cause me to quit the game. 85% of the people will leave AC? What a joke. I doubt if 85% of the population uses Eltank.

 

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Arch_Magi: once again, using my quotes out of context...


I said there WERE alternatives.. back in the day.. that's what I was discussing as to the point they were trying to make.. back before ToD, using ELTank for everything BUT the Combat Macro freature didn't make sense considering there were better plugins for those parts. That's what I was saying..


SINCE ToD, there haven't been a lot of new replacements developed, and so I understand people using ELTank for those components.. considering the lack of robust plugins these days for that sorta stuff. There are alternatives still, but many of them are just not quite up to par yet. Give it time. But again... before attempting to start arguments or bait, why not read the quote in context and realize that I WAS talking about the past pre-ToD when there were many alternatives to pretty much all of the ELTank features.

Why even start to compare Alinco with El Tank?

On the download page is not much text but it says that only buffing is automatic for the rest you need hot keys.


But I am not surprised that xTank users missed it as they probably thought it was a disclaimer

to not macro in high traffic area's.

You can separate AC players into several groups and sub-groups in regards to UCM:


1)The UCM crowd - people who macro to gain advantage over others in wealth and / or level (skills), manipulate the game just to give themselves a feeling of power or superiority (control or grandiosity syndrome), or do it because they think it's cool (taking the game to a new level, or extending the life of the game for themselves). Many UCM people justify their actions in their own mind by referring to revolutionary slogans such as "Live Free or Die!". Their take is that they are free to play the game any way they wish. This is the outspoken sub-group of the UCM crowd. I'm sure many old-school macroers read their posts with chagrin - macroing was originally a covert operation.


UCM'rs can be broken into these sub groups I think:

a) There are the folks who are skilled and/or talented enough to write their own combat macros. You rarely hear a peep from these people. They do their thing, stay out of sight, and off the boards (Gol's recent 'come clean' a notable exception).

b) There is a large group of people who will use a 3rd party macro program written by someone else, but who are 'stuck', so to speak, if no such program exists. The power trip of macroing IS the game to these folks, most think they would not play if they couldn't macro.

c) A group that doesn't get talked about much in this polarized debate are the casual macroers. The tee-totalers. They will macro up a noob toon to 50, or try out macroing here and there to see what it’s all about, but really aren't into it that much, or feel like they are breaking the rules and stop.


2) The Anti-UCM crowd - people who love the game in it's original form and would take it back to 1999 if they could (the purists), and the folks who never break any rules in-game or in real life and want only to push their agenda on the rest of the world (the fanatical zealots). The zealots are the most outspoken group of the Anti crowd. Their mind set, dialog, and actions are very much like religious zealots in real life. They cannot comprehend that there is another point of view, and thus label anything different than their way of thinking as 'bad' or even 'evil'. It's nearly impossible to reason or debate with this crowd, so unbending are they in their adherence to their convictions. The purists are a more reasonable crowd and one can understand their feelings about the matter.


There are sub groups in the Anti crowd as well:

a) People who do not have the technical ability to install and run 3rd party applications. To any of us who consider ourselves 'gamers' or 'powerusers' this seems ridiculous. But many fit into this category. They needed help just installing and running AC itself in the beginning. Many in this group run a hardware configuration that is at or below the minimum requirements as well. And so human nature being what it is, people who CAN'T UCM will gravitate towards one of the categories of Anti-UCM’rs in order to cover their technical or computer knowledge shortcomings.

b) Folks who do have the tech expertise to UCM but choose not to for reasons mentioned above.


3) And lastly let's not forget the group that flies below the radar of the whole UCM/Anti debate and really doesn't even understand it, and is still just trying to learn the game (the noobs).

 

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Yeah, I read it, I understand it, and said "But unless I'm missing it, I don't see where you can "auto loot", much less "auto loot" and UST." ... I guess I didn't miss anything. Every time I ask people for an "ElTank alternative", they say "Alinco". Well guess what, it isn't.


I don't need a combat macro program, but I would like something that is "like ElTank in every other respect other than automatically targetting and attacking monsters", I expect it to get just as I asked ... "like ElTank".


That is the bottom line ... There isn't anything out there like ElTank, and it is because of that, that it will be missed.


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As for the last comment about "xTank users" and "not macro in high traffic areas", that has ZERO to do with that I am talking about, or looking for in a macro. I want something that I can fill out a form (like Alinco) to look for x, y, and z, and instead of just "alerting me" as to if it exists, it would pick the dang thing up and put it in my pack. That has NOTHING to do with UCMs, in or out of a high traffic area.


Thank you for the Red Herring, but I already ate lunch.

There sure is a lot of hostility when it comes to talking about UCM and Eltank. I'm one of the Eltank users that never UCM'ed or even ACM'ed. I did (and do) in fact use Eltank because it's a complete package almost. At least having it, I only have to install say, Spies for pk detection. I surely will miss Eltank, since right now I'm starting to look for alternatives and trying them out in anticipation that Eltank will stop working one day. Thus far, it's really been a pain getting smaller individual addons setup and working right. Some of them have great features, but really really crappy interface for users. Some have great interface, but lacks important features, etc, etc.. I think people do use Eltank because it's pretty user friendly and has a lot of important features.


I thought most UCM'ers talk about using Lifetank these days? At least it's what I was told to install when someone tried to get me to macro. I don't understand the hate for Eltank or people applauding Elgarl leaving AC. It kinda sucks. I really don't care how people choose to play this game, but really, AC does not neeed to be more complicated than it is right now. You aren't gonna get more players playing or staying this way.


I guess while the players are throwing tomatoes at each other, we are all forgetting the company that's sitting and collecting our money, watching this show. Turbine really needs to step up and implement some of the features to get rid of the need for those plugins. The lack of response from Turbine when people are discussing things is very disappointing.

"People like me? I thought you were talking about UCM'rs.


So I guess you can lump anyone who catches you making a fool of yourself into the 'people who should leave' category.


Have fun playing with yourself." - Chazcon


Chazcon,


Are you 10 years old? Do you usually call people names that disagree with you? Do you have a maturity problem?


I guessed that you were a UCM'r based on your heated response to the UCM issue. If not I apologize.


I agree with some of your categories though I do not think eliminating UCM'rs will destroy the game. I could be wrong but for myself it would bring more enjoyment if they were eliminated. Also, I think there has been a lot of positive response from players about new game dynamics such as the Ninja's that make things like UCM'ing more difficult.


Additionally, as a result of the recent changes I have had a long time friend come back to the game after a year and I have also attained a new vassal this month who is another returning player.


~Duri

GoodLuck, and GoodDay Elgarl, you and your Tank Will be severely Missed.


There is NO replacement(s) for ElTank, the Only Self Buffer I've ever found that was on Par was Infinity, IMO Infinity in this Respect was better then Tank, Since Throne came out there has been No self buffer that even comes close to Tanks abilities and ease of use. Haven't tried it in a couple months but BuffMe never worked For my Main who Has No Life and use the Stien for all his mana recoup needs. And I din like how it handled buffing my mage much either. Me = spoiled by Infinity


With a combination of Alinco and AgentZ you can replace the filtering and reporting capabilities, but it takes both of them to do it.


Find It! does an OK Job and no disrespect Gouru but it still lacks when compared to ElTrack, since Throne plugin quality has really declined.


I've always prefered Quest Timer to the one Built into Tank QT has No equal


I've never tried GoArrow but its one of Dig's so it prolly works really well, ElNav almost always seemed to crash me so never used it much either, I'm good at navigation tho and use Notes in QT for quick access to cords


As for Auto UST, Loot, Heal wont find em outside xTank, auto heal actually annoyed me sometimes, get me killed when I shoudla been running not stoping to heal.


I haven't played AC In Months but I alwasy end up going back after awhile, and Will Miss Tank when I get back.

The reason people are bitter towards him is the public release of a fuctional combat macro. That truly back in the day was the best. Prior to that all people had were privite plugins or scripts. Whitch only a select few had. Once El tank came out I remember telling some buddies that this is going to be the straw that breaks the cameles back. Guess what it did. So he has people bitter on both sides of the fence. He blew it for the small group of UCMers. Had El tank or any combat plugin not been released UCMing would still be around.

 

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Why would ElGarl not release the source code?


Sounds like a wiener kind of move, but you know, it would benefit the rest of the AC community and frankly, it's not a commercial product and you don't make any money from it so what do you have to lose? Ego?


Cheapo-SC.

 

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