Thx for maintaining lifetank.


Fellowships will suck now with afk leaders and half the fellow at ls.


*shrug*


I can make uber xp solo anyway.

 

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"between me, immunity, spax , dire , and groo we made indes/exempt what it was"


i can assure you , neither you or any of the above had anything to do with the creation of LT, the reason why you even gained access to it or the reason why "indes" what it was.


" umm original lifetank u had to buy from spax."


only newbs had to pay for it , if you were in my guild you could use it freely.


you can thank me, nzom, mass for you gaining access to LT in the first place and many of the "features" put in to LT which came from our idea's. many of them which were taken from "my best vassle" which later on turned in to blood thirst. and of coarse spk for all his work.


also as one of the original guys that helped LT grow from a simple drain macro to the powerful platform it is today. its a shame the new developers maintained the "code" for LT however they did not maintain its "vision". hypocrisy at its best , LT was designed for UCM from the start if you dont have the same vision dont maintain the code simple as that. cutting fully working features out of a plugin that was designed to do exactly that is not "maintaining" .


lastly anyone that uses LT today still UCM's lets not kid our selves here, if you need a automated plug in to play the game for you, i will bet my house, two cars and my kid that you have UCM'ed , however short period it might have been but you have. again hypocrisy at work here.

 

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>> I realize that it has the potential to annoy those who are actually there, but you don't gain XP when the person in your fellowship is at the LS, so your XP loss is not affected at all


This actually isn't true, the percentage of the xp you get is still lower than it would be if they weren't in the fellow. Take a fellow with two people- you get 75% of the xp regardless of whether the other player is standing next to you, or at the other side of Dereth.


I would suggest that for the sake of other players, instead of log off on death, LTx should drop players from their fellowship if they die, run out of comps.

<< Well, its a boss and he drops really great loot im still around so im not ucm'ing >>


Then you would have no problem in either not killing the boss or logging out yourself.

 

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these hypocrites are a disgrace to LT and what it is and stands for,

was one the the biggest mistakes letting people like para an celtic try to "upkeep" a plugin when they don't support its real reason for existing.


your sole reason for "maintaining" LT is your just attention whores plain and simple, lets take over a macro plugin because everyone uses and loves it(you dont use or represent what this plugin is and does), then nerf it cause u get into a spat on VN over some dude making another plugin you dislike.

 

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Oh here's another point.


If a ucmer gets logged on death, logged on lack of comps or ammo, or is stood at an LS, they get no xp, so this change does NOT affect them in any way.


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>> I realize that it has the potential to annoy those who are actually there, but you don't gain XP when the person in your fellowship is at the LS, so your XP loss is not affected at all


This actually isn't true, the percentage of the xp you get is still lower than it would be if they weren't in the fellow. Take a fellow with two people- you get 75% of the xp regardless of whether the other player is standing next to you, or at the other side of Dereth.<<


That is true, so these changes only affect those left in the fellow and hunting, NOT the ucmer who isnt there to recall to dung etc.

 

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This is pretty lame... What are you guys doing come on...


Warbot is allready out people are just going to switch to that.


Unless Decal bans Skunkworks which would be unethical so then macroing goes on and you guys are going to be playing ego with someone that put out a altered version of warbot?


How does this make sense?


Here is what it will do..


People that want to UCM will use warbot end of story, nothing really changes except many people think you guys are ignorant ego goof balls for making this move...


Then apart from that you ban AC Tool?


Did it occur to you that people use ac tool for good reasons and then to hunt with life tank later in the day or evening.


Instead you make them disable, enable, relog ect....


Just a stupid decision guys you are just hurting the community. Every time you guys do this you hurt the game. It is at the end of its rope so why do this junk.


SPK did not intend for this bull to fly... He made his money and bounced...


I say you might as well killbyte this one if you are going to keep it this way.

We had this same "uproar" when we disabled admin alerts... over a year ago. It didn't kill AC, it didn't hurt the game.


It's still a "combat macro" that is slowly conforming to the rules and Terms of Service set forth by Asheron's Call and Turbine. Lifetank was originally wrote when these rules were not in place. Now they are, we're following suit.


These "features" were removed because it's painfully obvious, if you were AT THE KEYBOARD the you shouldn't need something to log you out when you run out of tapers.. you would know ahead of time.


Key works being at the keyboard, attending the game as you're supposed to. I don't really care what your definition of "attended" is, that official definition has been set forth by Turbine... and basically you either need to be at the game or not playing at all. If you die/are killed because you didn't auto-log then you shouldn't have been breaking the rules.


Also, it is an answer to this new plugin and other plugins that are already out, or may be released in the future. We don't want them used in conjunction with Lifetank, so this is our insurance that they won't be. Sorry, the honor system got tossed out the door long ago.


It's a combat macro and it still remains one, no matter what the naysayers tell you.


C

 

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If you all remember, at LT's inception, Microsoft still owned AC, and was doing their level best to kill the game ... UCM was ok by them as long as they got their money.


Turbine finally bought the ownership of their game back from Microsoft, and make changes to the EULA, most notably the section regarding UCM. Elgar put a timer into the framework of ElTank, which people promptly did their best to alter. LT, however, continued on its merry way. The changes that have been made the last couple years have been in an attempt to bring the plugin into more compliance with the Code of Conduct Turbine has established.


Why someone wants to pay a monthly fee to allow their computer to play a game for them is beyond me, but I know people do it. The statement: "lastly anyone that uses LT today still UCM's lets not kid our selves here, if you need a automated plug in to play the game for you, i will bet my house, two cars and my kid that you have UCM'ed , however short period it might have been but you have. again hypocrisy at work here." You, sir, are incorrect. Some of us have carpal tunnel in varying degrees, and the help of a plugin such as LT DOES help us with the repetitive keying a mage requires. My partner who hunts with me in EO can easily attest to the fact that I'm not only AT the keys, but normally actively engaged in convesation with him and the allegiance (as well as others who might whisper me). A sweeping assumption like that simply is not true


To be quite honest, the only time I use LT is when I'm doing that darn olthoi ripper kill quest. Even breaking the quest up into smaller "chunks" is a lot of keying on my mage, so I let LT help me. The rest of the time? I'm usually outside hunting, and not using LT. What makes people hostile about unattended persons is that they often are macroing in dungeons well below their abilities, in well populated hunting areas. When you see level 225+ folks in 110 eaters, it is a bit annoying to some ...


You know ... instead of complaining, we should be glad Turbine is still allowing LT to be used. They could deny it if they really wanted to. I realize DT has its own set of "rules" and polices itself to a degree. I am grateful a plugin like this is still around and functional - it really takes the strain off my hands/wrists for that darn kill quest Oh, btw ... from the folks I've seen standing at lifestones for HOURS at a time, it appears many do not use the log on death feature anyway ...

 

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Without saying its against the ToS explain how detering UCMing will help the game?

 

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