Quack is a log on death plugin. =D I don't use it so doesn't bother me.

>> ^ this coming from a plugin author is funny LOL


Yeah, well, I figure the more ridiculous they made it the more the incentive for someone else to release another competing macro plugin.

 

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why don't you update the old plugin?

 

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I don't see what taking the log off options are doing to stop ucm. Honestly the only thing it does is screw the people over that are at keys cause they have dead macros at the lifestone. And Para only did it because him and his clan mates are all 275 now that use it so they figured it was time to take the features out. Someone on MT got his follower killed at least 20 times at dark island lifestone for butchering the plugin like this.

Celtic and Para live in their own little world. Lacking in what I like to call "common sense".

 

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kinslayer: I disagree.


I think they have a lot of Common Sense in that they know what Turbine does and does not want. They have foresight into what is and is not good for the game overall.


If other developers would have had the same foresight 5 or 6 years ago, we wouldn't be in the predicament we're in now.


I think all the whiners complaining they lose functionality need to take a long hard look at their playstyle and what exactly their accomplishment and goal of playing Asheron's Call is.


Paraduck and C'Relic made these changes to help curb a significant problem of UCMs in Asheron's Call. It might be a bit late, but they are still making an effort. I don't care of LifeTank was originally designed specifically to be UCM. It is no longer in the hands of those players. Once the code leaves their hands, the control of that goes with it. Paraduck and C'Relic are the only maintainers that have a working version of LifeTank available to the public. Take it or leave it, you're stuck with what they give you until you make your own. Good luck.


The point of the matter is, UCM is against CoC regardless of how you personally feel about it, or the current state and condition of the game dictates. UCM is still in the CoC as a violation. Turbine HAS attempted in the past to curb some of the UCM problems through the removal of "detectable admin tells" and other things which were promptly defeated. Doesn't mean they like Admin Detection just because they can't get rid of it. Turbine has attempted to remove Admin Alarms, Decal Developers have attempted in the past to remove Admin Alarms. Paraduck and C'Relic see this, so therefore, they removed Admin Alarms from LifeTank. It is against Turbine's wishes.


So everyone yelling and complaining and gnashing your teeth at Paraduck and C'Relic need to take a look at your playstyle and find out how this personally affects you. Chances are, you're playing in a manner against Turbine's wished. You can attempt to play it off however you want.. "I was ACM" or whatever, but you know inside just as well as I do that your actions are bordering on illegal. I blame Turbine for creating content to spur on macroing and for not properly enforcing or specifying their direct wishes in the CoC. I blame the original developers of Public Combat Macros for their lack of fore-sight into the problem. And finally, I blame the users of these macros for not having the morality to know that what they're doing is wrong, against Turbines wishes, and ultimately harming the game that so many people love so deeply. Agree with me or not, it's hard to argue that macroing hasn't directly ruined the game.

The original developers of those plugins made them when UCM was allowed, players UCMed when it was allowed, and those players are going to want to UCM now even if it isn't allowed. If the blame goes on anybody for the major cause of it, it should be Turbine for allowing it in the first place. Maybe if it didn't take well over two months of PLAYING TIME to hit max level for the average player, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

 

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>> Maybe if it didn't take well over two months of PLAYING TIME to hit max level for the average player, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.


What if the max level were 9999999999999999? Would people be justified in hacking the server because that is the only way to achieve it?


Sorry, my views on macroing are mixed, but that argument is just flawed.

 

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Eps: and you are very short-sighted.


UCM was only "allowed" because it wasn't specifically disallowed. It was before Turbine ever thought there would be a UCM problem. By the time they realized it was becoming a problem, the cat was already out of the bag, and a lot of the damage had already been donw.


Sure there were exploits on Turbine's part that compounded the issue, and I DO put most of the blame of the current condition on them, but with proper fore-sight and ethical guidelines, this wouldn't have been an issue.


The first macros weren't created to gain millions of XP an hour. They were created as a programming challenge in AI. It was to see "if it could be done" and how hard it would be. The developers of the time had a slightly higher ethical background and weren't doing it to exploit the system, but instead as a way to further themselves personally (not in game). This slowly leaked out to the exploiters, and the people who were only in it for personal gain. They wanted to exploit every hole imaginable, and get an advantage in any way possible. They released the macros to more and more people within their group creating a new form of competition.


Some other developers with even LESS fore-sight saw this problem and felt left out, and wanted to be an advocate for the "normal player", so he created and publically released a macro which EVERYONE could use. He wasn't going to leave anyone out. And to this was born the UCM problems of today. The general public with NO ethical training on this subject were given access to untold powers and riches beyond their wildest dreams... of course they're going to take advantage of that. It's like having a genie which will grant you wishes. He made all their gaming dreams come true for the casual gamer.


It was about this point when Turbine started to really take notice and realize that there was a problem, but as I said, the damage had long been done already. It was too late for Turbine to do much about it other than create more high-level content to appease the complaining inflated high level players (who got there through macroing, exploiting, or otherwise). And that complaining and appeasing has never stopped since. The players get artificially higher levels, and complain to Turbine about lack of content, so Turbine caves in and creates more high-level content to appease them. It's a never ending cycle created because some people lacking fore-sight and ethics decided to exploit the systems for personal gain.

why would anyone play a game if it wasnt for personal gain/satisfaction? thats what some call fun and its up to turbine to police THERE game


i could care less about the logout features (i run tradebots not ucm) but i in no way see any good to come of these changes untill someone releases a new ucm or takes over ltx

 

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