ty. Log on death definitely is useful outside of macroing, it's saved me a couple times when I alt-tabbed out at a LS and got sidetracked by something shiny on the internet. And no, I'm not pretending that it's not also very useful for macroing.


Now unban AC Tool plz.

 

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^ O shut up


I don't even hunt macro anymore and I still think what they are doing is dumb.

 

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It's not hard to see in the fellow panel who is there, and who isn't. Usually, no matter what level you are, what majors you're wearing, or how high your vitals are, when you're fighting a mob of bad guys, your vital stats move and juggle. That's not that hard to see, and that's also how many people now can tell if you're there or not. If you go for an extended period of time (15+ minutes I'd say is reasonable) and your vitals DON'T move whatsoever... I'd say with pretty darn good certainty they aren't killing anything and probably leeching. If they just recently died and aren't talking in /f, what would your guess be?


Right now on DT this option is still enabled. We're still debating the pros and cons of this feature on a white server. It's still possible for it to be changed back, but for right now that's how it's going to stay.


Feedback (the non-flaming or attacking kind) is the best way to get our attention.


The log on unfriendly is also that of a discussion between us, but a little easier to explain. Yes, you have a very valid point. However, if you are macroing quest mobs, you know when someone is in radar range of you, and you should be able to make that decision yourself to leave or not. There aren't that many reasons for needing an auto-logger in a quest dungeon if you're attending the game IMO.


Darktide is it's own beast. This function, for them, is mostly used to avoid death. I can still see how they should know if they're sitting there, but Lifetank's range does extend to that beyond the radar, so they can avoid the hassle of a confrontation by auto-logging then. Yes, I can see how it can be abused as well, but we feel the need outweighs the cons right now.

 

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From reading the LTxi boards, I got the impression that the "Log on Death" etc. feature was disabled to discourage UCMing. That would of been a particularly effective method on DT where you probably would of gotten blasted for an additional 35% vitae plus other penalties depending on what No-Drop Aug you were on. All it really does on the white server is annoy the others in the fellow when they can't boot the person camping the LS.


The two questions that I have are:


1) Could you add in a "Boot from Fellow on Death" feature so as not to punish the rest of the fellow, please?


Consider this answered, time lag in posting.


2) By the changes made to the way LTxi works differently on DT with version .7, were you swayed by peer pressure and popular opinion on your ethics behind the .7 version rather then sticking to what you believed was morally right by the CoC and leaving it at version .6?

Your line of reasoning is flawed Crelic. The player will most certainly know if he has died to another player killer-- and has a grace period in order to log out. Your support of 'no log on unfriendly player detection' as a tool not used by UCMers is offset by your plug-in's employment of auto log on death on DT.

<< Feedback (the non-flaming or attacking kind) is the best way to get our attention. >>


actually it seems the best way to get your attention is to post a image of a fake plugin and renaming it Macro Assist


oh and while ur nerfing stuff midaswell get ride of auto fellows, i mean if you not macroing why have it, like para said in many posts, if your there u can just manuly recruit people, like his vassle's did when they macro'd lol


the irony of these guys just make me laugh, there trying to deter macroing on a plugin made for macroin, eithe way u try to cut it, its still a combat macro..

 

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"It's not hard to see in the fellow panel who is there, and who isn't. Usually, no matter what level you are, what majors you're wearing, or how high your vitals are, when you're fighting a mob of bad guys, your vital stats move and juggle. That's not that hard to see, and that's also how many people now can tell if you're there or not. If you go for an extended period of time (15+ minutes I'd say is reasonable) and your vitals DON'T move whatsoever... I'd say with pretty darn good certainty they aren't killing anything and probably leeching. If they just recently died and aren't talking in /f, what would your guess be?"


The fellow panel is not a true detector of non-responsiveness. The panel is at many times bugged. Also-- the auto-buffing of your plug-in causes mana to be used, and when too much mana is used, stamina is used.


Also, many ACMers do not chat in fellowship to begin with. I just don't see what good this does to anyone--- could you please explain as to why not logging on death is helpful to stopping UCMing?

I have some respect for this decision but I still dis agree with the whole bit of changes....

I've already explained most of that. Just look for the red name.


With the feedback we received a few minutes ago from the mostly-DT crowd, we felt the benefit outweighs the abuse factors. For the time being, it'll probably stay that way.. but it's going to be a constant discussion between us.

 

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My suggestion to remove UCMing with LTXI:


Add in a call for a random input every 10 minutes. If the call is not met within a certain amount of time, disable LTXI until the 'Run macro' button is again clicked.


If you truly wish to remove UCMing, then what would this idea hurt?