I am angry.
I am angry at a small group of people who think they are entitled to make unreasonable demands.
I am angry at the stupid children who were cranky the memlocs were not available when they wanted them.
I am angry at all of these people who say they can do it better, who have done NOTHING to support Decal.
I am angry that this is still an issue days later.

Up until this last set of memlocs, no one said boo about anything. Now it seems its open season for people to say how it could be better. You talk about their support, they supported the product. Just not as fast as some asshats would have liked. Let me clear right now, this is all about a small vocal group of people bitching because Decal did not work when they wanted it to. Then they took their tinfoil hats and tried to turn it into ZOMG they aren't supporting the program any more. And because someone said it on the internet, it must be true.

What whole community are you speaking of? The entitled brats who screamed it was the end of the world, and how much they sucked for not having the memlocs fast enough? The elite programmers who know so much they can't be bothered to do anything beyond say they can get the memlocs faster? A majority of the players were unhappy the memlocs were not done, but they knew they would be soon enough. They didn't feel they should take it to the boards and spawn tons of threads making demands and conspiracy theories about Decals demise. No the community in general does not demand to much, its the long list of very recent demands being made solely because memlocs were not posted within 4 hours of patch. This is only an issue because they didn't get what they wanted when they wanted it. This was not a Decal issue, this is an issue of impatient self centered whiners.

Decal can be dangerous to the game, I never implied spyware or malware. Example - there was a way to ID items, it overwhelmed the servers. So this method was blocked. Someone who wants to cut corners would just use the ability who cares if it impacts others in a bad way. I know bits and pieces, because I am neither programmer nor Decal Dev. But I trust the current team more than any of the other people who posted complaining and predicting the end of Decal.

I think its cute you imply the Devs don't play any more.
Can you name the current team?
Can you name their home worlds?
Then how can you imply they no longer play or do not play enough?
How much do they have to play to satisfy you that its enough so they can keep programming Decal? Why do they have to live up to your standard?

If you want an open source Decal alternative, start writing it. I'm sure all of these people who can do it better will line right up.

The Decal team is always looking for new blood, the problem is this new blood you want to see added can't be bothered to earn a seat, they expected it to be handed to them on a silver platter. Yes its very unfair of them, they make sure people who want to join the team might actually be qualified before handing them the keys to the kingdom.

This current version of Decal is not the Decal of old, it was rewritten. Did you miss this part? They kept the name and idea but they had to start over with TOD.

Its impressive how you imply they no longer have a vested interest in Decal. Last I looked, the memlocs were up... not because people screamed for them, but because that is what the team does after a patch. It took a bit longer than "normal" but it was done. Seems like they are still interested in Decal.... They posted the memlocs, they posted in unreasonable demand threads, they are still working on it... yeah so no interest...

wubbie - have you figured out yet, in the current environment you really don't have a leg to stand on?

 

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"""because I am neither programmer nor Decal Dev"""


So this |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| needs to be this |---|. Jesus H Christ you angry fanbois rant and rave fill up the pages ...shut UP for goodness sakes. You don't know dick about jack, except your ALL CAPS OPINION. JFC shut up shut up shut up. Let the people wronged respond. maybe the decal devs should sell subscriptions? I'd pay within reason.

 

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Sorry Wubbie, but you're the most pissed off person here

Don't worry about it, I don't think anyone takes this drama seriously. Personally I try to avoid drama in life...usually it is something of your own making anyhow.

 

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You’re correct Wubbie, my comments about the Decal development team not being vested, and not playing were set upon hearsay. The purpose was not serious though, it was hyperbole for your benefit. You seem to have taken it and run with it.


And while I appreciate Decals development team members response, but you play an MMO and write tools for its benefit, you should know better about having a life


I don’t mean anything I say to be an attack, or be insulting. Maybe this thread is to heated to continue with kind of request. I will cede this string to Wubbie. He seems very passionate about this subject.

Jeez everyone, chill.

 

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There used to be other 3rd party programs that didn't require Decal... People could start doing those again if they feel the need to find an alternative to decal or any possible wait times during patch days.

 

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Ozzie - KMA KTksBai. Skimming what I wrote must have made you imagine the ALL CAPS. Reading, its fundamental, you really should learn how.

VI - Your prolly right, I'm annoyed at the new level of stupid of a few vocal idiots. But I've seen my fair share of Devs who have moved on from Decal and plugins. One of the biggest contributing factors is the stupid. So I'll try to stop playing with the trolls, they smell like the underside of bridges anyhow.

X - So your a troll. K got you flagged as such now. Grats on trolling me, a whole +1 to your epeen.

Churi-ya - I've not threatened to climb a bell tower and start shooting yet, so I'm still pretty chill, I just have strong opinions on the subject.

Eh it looks like I got trolled, BFD.
The recent atmosphere prevalent here and in the game is "I'm entitled". I find it disgusting. Sorry if my level of disgust got out of hand, but sometimes you need to hit the stupid ones really hard to get their attention.

wubbie - still waiting to see all these new people step up to help out....

 

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When was Decal ever open when it was active code????


The old code is open and you can play to your hearts content.

 

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The original Decal was open source (GPL I believe, but am not certain). This prevented some Decal Devs from being able to work on it, due to job restrictions.


The Devs decided to make a LESS restrictive license on the original source code, making it Public Domain, no restrictions whatsoever. This source code is still available at http://sourceforge.net/projects/decaldev. As it is public domain, anybody is free to take the code and do whatever they want with it.


Starting with the Public Domain code, we created a new version of Decal that contained all the rework for ToD, and because it was private, non-GPL code, we no longer had Decal developers that were prevented from working on it due to job restrictions. If we were to open this source code now, some of the current developers would no longer be able to touch it. Based on the 'true' support from others as opposed to the 'promised' support of a few vocal people, I believe this would kill Decal.


For continued support, it is best that Decal remain closed source.

I obviously cannot comment on the condition of employment some of the developers have with their customers/employers. But not being able to participate in a GPL/GNU project that dose not compete with their employers, and cannot be related to their job, on their own time sounds unusual to me.


I have never had it in any contract I have even seen. There is of course the provision that anything you work on company time is the companies, and therefore their intellectual property, but at home I can craft anything that cannot be used by and does not compete with my company.


I was unaware that was the position we were in. In all the years I have read postings, I had never seen anything to indicate that this was an issue, and therefore did not understand why the source had gone under wraps.


I don’t think anyone would sacrifice current support for an unknown level of support.