Competing product is the one that made me chuckle. Him and 1000 of his friends couldn't make a competing product.


Commercial entity was good but him being a consumer really tickled me.


What exactly are you consuming sir? It's free and on the internet.


OH yeah and where are the "Here have some cheese with that whine" posts. it's why I made the domain name http://www.cheesymail.com

 

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I say everyone that is whining like a little school girl (Some of you might be little school girls anyways) should just go off and create there own version of decal and plugins. Nothing is stopping you from doing so, is it?! Well maybe the fact that you probably have no idea where to start or what to do, but come on... can't be that hard to create a framework from scratch and plugins now could it?

BTW Thanks to all who has ever worked on decal or a plugin and the work they do. MOST ALL OF US appreciate the hard work and ignore the rest! :-)

 

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All I can add to this is, GREAT JOB Decal Devs and THANK YOU.

 

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Pre-ToD Decal IS open source. If you really want to create your own system, use that. It would make a great starting point, and it is certainly applicable enough to ToD that anyone capable of rewriting from scratch would find it very useful. Rewriting Decal is a really fun project, and it can be done (and has, at least in limited fashions). If you really have the skill and dedication you claim, DO it. Talk is cheap.

By the way, where are your public plugins provided for free for the good of the community?

 

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SNAP! Nice response VI...

so I guess Mr/Ms Arc of DT won't respond since he/she is busy rewriting decal!

 

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I don't see why is is duch a sin to have Decal open source.


Two previous versions were, why not this one?


In fact, what about this version makes it such a state secret that it not be?

Because its not.

A bunch of whining because people didn't have use of the free tool for about 36 hours, this does not mean you can stomp your foot and demand they let go of all of their work to make you happy.

Let me just explain a few things, yet again.

- Decal if improperly used can HARM THE GAME.
- Decal in the hands of an asshat, you know the kind of person who complains when its not on their schedule, can be used in such a way to get Decal made a TOS violation for the game.
- Decal in its current form, shares very little - other than name and function, with its predecessors. The code is very different.

Of all of the people making these demands that they could find the memlocs, they can run Decal better, etc etc etc...
1 - None of them have written a publicly available plugin.
2 - Are such elite programmers, who have never bothered to actually get involved with Decal before this event. And now that Decal is working have shut up and vanished.
3 - Seem to think the universe revolves around them, this is the fault of their parents telling them they are special. They are infact NOT SPECIAL. They are not the center of the universe. They are a unique person, like every other person on the planet but no one will do their bidding just because they want it. For that you have to pay other people to carry out your orders.
4 - Have no grasp of the actual amount of time the current (Post-TOD) Decal Devs have devoted (FREE OF CHARGE) to make this tool available to the people playing this game.
5 - Look at an out of date website and scream how Decal is going to burn and we will have nothing.
6 - Have no idea how pissed off they are making the Decal Devs. Decal works on their goodwill towards the community. You have burned most of it up. Would you keep doing something that gets you screamed at, told your incompetent, and demands made for you to hand over all of your hard work to some snot nosed idiot?
7 - Have no idea what it used to take much longer to get memlocs after patch.
8 - No idea how decal works, they just expect it to.

Before yet another one of these "set Decal Free" types posts...
- Go turn off Decal, and Uninstall it.
- Go play the game. Its hard for you now isn't it?
- Now imagine, if your small brain can still do so, what it would be like if you could not just go reinstall Decal again.

I'm not a Decal Dev, I do not speak for the Decal Devs, But I understand how human nature works.
I understand if you manage to piss the Decal Devs off enough, they will take their ball and go home.
And when these so called "I could do it better types" can't deliver a proof of concept Decal replacement in a month, remember that it is 100% YOUR FAULT.

The Decal Devs would say something much more diplomatic, they have a much longer fuse than I do. They have had to deal with an amazing amount of stupid for much longer than I would be able to.

So in short, DIAF.

Decal will remain right where it is, in the trustworthy hands we have all come to take for granted. I'm sure most of us have never said it enough, but Thank You Decal Devs and Plugin Writers. You deliver an amazing set of tools in the face of so many... well tools. Your work and effort is appreciated, even if a majority do not always remember to express it. I'm sorry the ones so vocal are the ones least deserving of your efforts.

wubbie - Decal - Its a privilege, not a right.

 

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Hear Hear to Wubbie


3 cheers to the dev team....


I actually enjoyed the no decal for awhile... makes you APPRECIATE it more when you have it.

Man Wubbie, you seem very angry.


I cannot disagree that the Decal Development team has done a very good job in their creation and support.


Asking for them to release the code because, as you yourself have pointed out, they are real people with real lives (that we can presume are more important then a game), does not undermine that appreciation.


What it could do though is improve that support. Possible improve the tool, and make the community feel like people who still have a vested interest are participating in the conversation if not the support.


My issue with Decal being closed is that this means a small group of people, who do not play the game (or if they do, they play little), and did not originally create the tool, have a monopoly on the community. If they made it for the community, why so much secrecy? The previous development team (when AC had a much larger population and many more people with questionable motives), did not think that was necessary. And if they choose to take the ball and go home I say do it now. I think that the leaving of the current development team would inspire new blood to pick up where others have left off, or kill AC, either way they (the decal deployment team) gets what they want. Time to live their lives and are no longer beholden to a community that according Chef_Wubbie, does not appreciate them and demand too much of them.


And fear mongering "Decal can be dangerous" is nonsense. Everything you download can be dangerous. If you don't vet where you get something, you will likely get infected. If a player, or group of players violate the TOS, they do so. You don’t need Decal, or anything else to do that. I am not going to believe that Turbine is going to assume that if one (or a small group of) foolish person(s) do something they will ban Decal. Therefore these arguments are not applicable. Because if that were true, then in all the years when the code was open it would have already happened.


The current development team does not have to let go of their hard work. But I don't agree that it benefits the whole of the community that they try and keep it locked up.

I am sorry I have a life and had to move across a few states and was only able to get functional internet today (a week or so after I lost my last internet connection).

Normally I am on top of it, but it happened this month that the patch happened to coincide with my move date. *shrug* Such is life.

It is not the end of the world. There is no major drama behind the delay in memlocs. I'm normally the one that updates them, and I had no access to do so. There are only a couple of people with access to the website to post them. As paradox said before, I was moving, another was on vacation, and another had just started a new job and didn't have time. That pretty much covers the people who have access to the site to post the files.

If you want to create your own Decal, be my guest. No one is stopping you from doing it (yet). We are not going to open the source, or take on volunteers randomly. If you REALLY want to participate, then show us. Do something to get yourself noticed as a GOOD force for Decal. So far, many people here have done absolutely nothing to convince me you'd ever be a member of the Decal Dev team.

Take a chill pill. Realize that some people have other things going on and might be prevented from doing things like Memlocs. The world will not end because you have to wait a few days for memlocs.

*sigh*