What TUG did is say that what a baby is capable of at one day old is all it will ever be capable of.

It can't prepare food or produce eggs/semen either, genius, but it develops. What a ridiculous statement to make. And we live and work alongside people like this.

People like TUG are incapable of appreciating most things in life, but in this case he cannot appreciate the complexity of a human being. It's not a behavior, dummy. It is about attraction, desire, love, arousal, and actions both voluntary and involuntary. That is a little more complex than behaving a certain way.

And it is not a truth just because you say it. Give a source. Who has concluded that it is a truth (ie fact) and more importantly why is this debate still happening if it has been proven? You've got nothing.

MFarce: Now you're doing what Levgre is doing, not reading a word I've said.

I think we should be researching ALL aspects of homosexuality. Not just as a genetic certainty, but as a treatable mental disease, a chemical imbalance, or any other feasible condition that isn't *set in stone* genetics.

I think all avenues should be open to research, not just socially acceptable ones...


levgre: You're making my point for me. A person can abstain from all sex. A person can't abstain from their race. Or their gender.

As I said above, virtually everything is strongly linked to genetics. But there is no one big gene that makes you gay. Like one that makes you black. All your behaviors are somewhat determined by genetics. But behaviors are able to be changed. You can train yourself to be left handed. You can't train yourself to have blue eyes. You can't train yourself to have blonde hair.


Your comment about sexuality being a trait is inaccurate. It's difficult to explain to someone as close minded as yourself, but sexuality is based on how the brain reacts to pleasure.


Sex is a behavior. Period. End of story. Any person can CHOOSE to have sex with any person.

Attaction, desire, love, arousal...etc are chemical reactions in the brain based on a set of variables.


This all leads back to my original point that "being gay" is far more likely a chemical imbalance in the brain. It's not an assault on gay people.

The fact that the two of you can't differentiate that, and accuse me of hate speech or ignorance just proves your own ignorance.

 

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Awwwwwww ****. Ignorance bomb gone off in heeeya.

But seriously, you are saying sex is a behavior but everything associated with it are variables. Being gay is not just sex, which is what you're calling a behavior. Being gay includes all those other variables. I don't get why you can't see that.

I could just as easily turn this whole thing back on you saying that no gay chemical has been found, so despite your years of trying to cram that belief down our throats it's simply not true.

Well at least this time you partially get it....

Yes. Sex is a behavior. And everything YOU associate with sex are variables.

Attraction, desire, arousal....these are all emotions that are activated in pleasure centers in your brain.

You don't need love or desire to have sex. The US Prison system proves that.


In Ancient Greece, a large number of the population engaged in homosexual sex. Was it because they were genetically predisposed? Of course not. It was a societal variable. It was about pleasure. That doesn't mean that Ancient Greeks were all gay, they just cared more about what activated the pleasure centers of their brain.


More people aren't gay now than in the 1950s, it's just that societal pressure has eased up. It's not a religious abomination anymore, so more people are trying it.


No matter what you say, you have to admit the truth: Some people CHOOSE to be different. Some people like being a unique flower.

We all know a flamboyant gay guy. We all know someone who behaves completely normal and you would never guess he/she was gay.

One thing about behavior and genetics...everyone is different.

But there is just too much evidence to prove that gay people are not "born this way" Regardless of what Gaga says.

 

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Evidence, please.

I'm sure there is stuff out there, I'm just curious to see it. I want to see this evidence and how it can conclusively rule out anything but choice.

Wow... your conception of sexuality is so ridiculously defunct and antiquated that it is no wonder you spout such nonsense.

Sexuality is not a trait?... pick up a book instead of using the wind coming out of your rear as the primary authority in this scientific field.

All you do is repeat yourself and try to assure everyone that your same asinine points are still right.

Yes the Greeks choose a culture of homosexuality, as do prison inmates. This is no evidence against the fact that some people may be born strictly homosexual. All it shows is that people can nurture an appreciation of homosexuality based off of the pleasure signals generated by it.

This has nothing to do with people who have a brain that causes them to be attracted to the same sex before they even perform one sexual act in their life. Sexuality is complex. Motivations are psychological, chemical, genetic, and more.

Think up a real argument. Not some flimsy reasoning imagined by your insatiable ego.


I'll admit some people choose to be different, and some do so by behaving gay. So what? Again this has nothing to do with those who never made the choice to switch over.

 

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You're being purposely obtuse.


Nothing conclusively rules out anything. There is only anecdotal evidence, even if there is an abundance of it.


Hence my call for research.


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Lev, you haven't found a single hole in my argument. Hell you agree with me more than you don't.

You hope that a couple of insults, and a blanket conclusion based on things I haven't even said prove your non-existent point.

You are the epitome of a forum troll.


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Not to mention, you two would disagree with me no matter what I said. If I said that the Earth is round, you'd find a way to argue that it's flat.

 

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Your argument is full of holes. You don't apply logical reasoning, you grossly misapply definitions(or make up your own on the fly).

You just can't imagine yourself as being wrong. I'd have no issue with being wrong on this issue if evidence or argument proved otherwise. I wouldn't even care if I agree with you on 98% of issues, I just know you are ignorant on this one. You've made many laughable claims in this thread.

 

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So once again, two replies later, still nothing. Just this claim that there is an "abundance". Why are you having such a hard time producing just one?

And stop deflecting. You're unnecessarily personalizing it with the character accusations. We HAD a nice debate going on but now you're falling back into the character attacks. Stop it and focus. Stop saying I would disagree with you and make me agree. Win the debate. Post something that supports your claim.

actually who gives a snot...more rampant puss for me. go suka dik if you like.

 

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