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FineYoungCannibals  4 stars
Title: Top of the food chain
Posts: 1,620
Registered: 2003-7-14 19:17:12
i'm pregnant with cheese and beer

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
Title: Touching people in special places all day long
Posts: 830
Registered: 2001-10-7 19:39:14
Jezza_Belle posted:

NonOffensiveName posted:

myxomatosis8 posted:

I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.) Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either. So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.

A viable alternative? Oh goodness I dont know, maybe people should try some personal responsibility for a change before resorting to killing their unborn child. We need to be teaching our future generations that just because you get yourself in a terrible mess doesnt mean that there are no consequences for your actions. Yeah you wanna have sex at 16 or 17 years old before you're mature enough to even have sex emotionally? Well if youre mature enough to make that decision then you're mature enough to handle the consequences. Thats why the youth today feel like nothing is ever their fault. No one is teaching them basic personal responsibility. There is a quick fix for every bad situation. I think if we send that message via our actions instead of saying "dont have sex dont have sex dont have sex" that would get the message across alot more effectively.

do you realize, as a gay man that will never procreate "by accident", you just sound like an asshole?



If advocating personal responsibility makes me an asshole then so be it. Its something sorely lacking in today's society. There is always someone else to blame as a scapegoat.

I suppose the 99% of the majority who ALWAYS chime in on things like gay rights, gay marriage, gay adoption are assholes too right? Cause they will never know the stigma that still exists today surrounding the multitude of topics associated with being gay but they certainly put in their two cents worth and then some.

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
Title: Touching people in special places all day long
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Registered: 2001-10-7 19:39:14
Lynea posted:

Hasn't the law (in most states) decided that children under 18 aren't even capable of consentual sex? If so, how do you expect them to handle the consequences of something they aren't even capable of consenting to? I'm gonna just agree with Jezza.

So like you say they are essentially breaking the law...arent there usually consequences to breaking the law? Most people who do break the law cant handle the consequences of their actions until they are forced to(ie caught by the police)Just because two people make a poor decision at an early age doesnt give them the right to commit murder.

 

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aurther-the-leader  1 star
Title: Omnipotent Anarchist
Posts: 69
Registered: 2001-8-1 19:45:25
yes i know someone. they were pretty much whoring it up no idea who the baby daddy was probably a good thing it was aborted if theres any justice she will never procreate ever.

 

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TheSixthSeal  1 star
Posts: 114
Registered: 2006-10-10 01:20:59
NonOffensiveName posted:

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Speaking of hypocrisy... Wasn't NON the one who wanted the brave little boy who courageously stood up to the vicious little nope that was harassing him murdered? Why would that murder have been ok?

really? you're comparing a cold blooded premeditated murder to an unborn innocent baby? Wow no wonder people have such screwed up values now a days.



But the murderer still has a chance to do good, and its a life! Isn't that what you care about? Looks like the answer is no. Also, citing that it is double murder when you kill a pregnant woman is beyond stupid. In some cultures it is illegal to fart, therefore it must be some precious entity that needs protection.

At the end of the say all you have is a FEELING that it is life, backed by the flimsiest stack of card reasons ever. At least admit it, it's a hunch, nothing more. I personally think it is criminal to throw away a single grain of rice when there are kids starving in the world, but since it is a FEELING, I would not support throwing wasters in jail. They threw away a lifeline for someone else who has ALREADY been born. Kinda like aborting a baby IF it is a human life. You aren't a pro-lifer at all, a pro-lifer would probably worry more about the definite this-person-is-here type people. I find it incredibly intellectually lazy.

I have no more than you have though, I just have a FEELING that it isn't life until a certain point. But I am going to worry more about the life that has already had independent thought and existence. You happen to put sperm (what could be a person) in a place where life wont happen.(butts) I advocate putting fetuses (what could be a person) in a place where life wont happen. (garbage cans) Sperm is alive, you know this. So my question is, do you base all your personal beliefs on what is convenient for you, or just this one?
TheSixthSeal  1 star
Posts: 114
Registered: 2006-10-10 01:20:59
Jezza_Belle posted:

do you realize, as a gay man that will never procreate "by accident", you just sound like an asshole?



Bingo, NON, it's absurd to say that unplanned pregnancies are due to irresponsibility and just further demonstrates how clueless you are. Have you had sex 100 times? There is a percentage of condom failure. You apparently just never had to care. You can express yourself sexually without this risk, straight people cannot. Why are you so bigoted towards sexual self expression? My ex was on the pill AND we used condoms, but she got pregnant. I was an irresponsible kid and I didn't think I was ready. I weighed the options and ended up keeping my son. I am really glad I honestly tackled whether I wanted my son to get aborted or not before he was a person, because I have the confidence that I wanted this, and wasn't guilted by regressives such as yourself into not having a choice.

Humans at the fetal stage are no different than the pigs or cows we eat, except they dont even have experiences to give them a semblance of personhood. I love my son, LOVE him, but if I raised him again from birth 10 times there would be ten different people that happen to look the same. Any parent would agree. Killing my son would be evil because he is completely unique and his life experiences are irreplaceable. Who we are is derived from our experiences and the choices we make, fetuses dont have that. It sickens me to think of people sitting over a steak dinner and talking about the evils of terminating a pea sized cluster of cells. I don't claim any of my "proof of non-life" to be any more than feelings. You do. Take a few steps back and see how idiotic that is.

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