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Author Topic: If you refuse to buy "blood diamonds" do you buy Foxconn components, including ipads & iphones? [Locked]
-Abysmal-  4 stars
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absolutely!

to the two above me!

 

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combat_mage_sc  4 stars
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Bat_Avenger posted:

faux outrage is a wonderful emotion

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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There is a reason why consumer products are made over there, its cheaper. There is low pay, no enforceable safety rules(osha), environmental regulations(epa) or worker rights.

but no one cares as long as they get the newest flat screen tv or smart phone at a cheapest price possible.

 

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Tipztoe  4 stars
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we didn't demand corporations outsource to other countries.

they had a choice, pay execs less or outsource.

fact.
Hawkson  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-10-23 22:57:09
Anebriated posted:

a rationalization that only serves to shirk your own personal responsibility for the consequences of your behavior. being a consumer imparts responsibility.



You don't get it.


I don't care that people died mining these diamonds, or that they come from war zones, or that they fund wars.


They're not on my purchase list anyways - so where they come from doesn't matter.


As for Foxconn? Sure the working conditions suck, but - I can't change it. And likely don't really care.

 

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-Abysmal-  4 stars
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if one can not convince ACF to care, what would they do in the real world?

 

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Anebriated  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-27 21:26:11
it's more difficult to care. to utilize empathy and project yourself into another situation requires thought, imagination, and risk. it's even more difficult to integrate caring into the everyday decisions you have to make. caring about every consumer choice means you can't buy anything without giving it some thought! that is pretty difficult. it would be nice to categorize the 'good' choices with labels like organic but we know that labels can quickly lose their meaning. it seems like caring is more complicated as well.

if I care, i'm at risk of doing wrong and feeling the worse for it. if i don't care then what i do doesn't matter. avoiding risk is a pretty powerful motivator by itself.


that's fine if you don't care. I can see a lot of reasons why it's easier to not care. there's probably a ton of people that don't care, with a bunch of evolutionary reasons why telling unrelated groups to eff off is a great strategy.

just don't pretend like you aren't making the easy choice.
the_great_intex  4 stars
Title: This is what cool looks like
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Registered: 2002-6-27 08:18:27
I don't buy apple crap

But I bet my Samsung was made in the same factory. With our economy so centralized on the stock market I wouldn't expect anyone to see oversea labor to come back anytime soon. Their profits mean "we're doing good!" these days even though its impact is quite the contrary

 

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Hawkson  4 stars
Title: I AM AN ASSASSIN (SHH)
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Registered: 2001-10-23 22:57:09
Anebriated posted:

it's more difficult to care. to utilize empathy and project yourself into another situation requires thought, imagination, and risk. it's even more difficult to integrate caring into the everyday decisions you have to make. caring about every consumer choice means you can't buy anything without giving it some thought! that is pretty difficult. it would be nice to categorize the 'good' choices with labels like organic but we know that labels can quickly lose their meaning. it seems like caring is more complicated as well.

if I care, i'm at risk of doing wrong and feeling the worse for it. if i don't care then what i do doesn't matter. avoiding risk is a pretty powerful motivator by itself.


that's fine if you don't care. I can see a lot of reasons why it's easier to not care. there's probably a ton of people that don't care, with a bunch of evolutionary reasons why telling unrelated groups to eff off is a great strategy.

just don't pretend like you aren't making the easy choice.



You're trying to paint me as a bad person because I don't care about diamond miners in conflict zones, or the Foxconn employees. It's not about empathy, or sympathy, it's about a general base level disgust for the 95% of the human race.

For every person that dies at Foxconn, or dies mining diamonds, many others die elsewhere every day.

Unfortunately more are born to take their place, and take up resources, and further damage the planet. Estimates are that the world will hit 8+ billion in the next 10 or so years.

It's not an easy choice not to care - there are many things that one could care about on a daily basis, it's more difficult to say - I don't care about these people - because there are more pressing global concerns.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-8 10:34:47
LULZ hell naw I don't buy Iphones or Ipads. But its not because I feel sorry for the Chinese slaves, it's because I think Apple crap is for idiots and morons.

 

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