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Author Topic: If you refuse to buy "blood diamonds" do you buy Foxconn components, including ipads & iphones? [Locked]
TickyAtack  4 stars
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The more people that died for my phone the better. Makes my phone seem special, and any time I get down about my first world problems I just think of the many that died so sprint could drop my calls affordably.

 

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-Rando-  1 star
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Tipztoe posted:

the same people who abhor blood diamonds have no problem with illegals, and not giving them the same working conditions and compensation afforded to regular citizens.

makes no sense.



Who doesn't? I absolutely think that illegal immigrants should be protected by all worker protection laws. After all, if it costs the same to hire a legal versus illegal immigrant, why would a company take the risk of hiring an illegal and facing fines?

 

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It's all well and good to be concerned over the conditions of factories in China but until the core business practice of making a profit changes, nothing will change. Chinese manufacturing has greatly leapfrogged over anything we are capable of doing here in the US (or anywhere else for that matter). Tech companies make their biggest profits over the ability to deliver new technologies/enhancements to the market as quickly as possible. The SmartPhone/Tablet markets are prime examples. If you can't deliver a new phone/tablet with extra bling each year, you are falling behind. Chinese manufaturers like Foxconn have proven to have the ability to adapt to this rapidly changing industry and deliver millions of units seemingly overnight. You just can't get that anywhere else for almost any price, let alone the low prices China does it for.

While I don't like the conditions any more than the next guy, I still see the masses camping out overnight to buy the next shiny new toy so I can only assume the masses don't particularly care.

Edit: Funny thing is I remember when Apple fans considered Apple, and themselves by extension, as the trendy cool kids that despised the man and wanted to save whales, trees, and the polar ice cap. They painted Microsoft as the epitomy of corporate greed as well as the devil. My how things have changed, unless of course you ask those same Apple fans who will swear to your face nothing has changed.

 

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caffeino00  2 stars
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Foxconn builds components for more than a few major electronics manufacturers.

 

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Anebriated  3 stars
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

It's all well and good to be concerned over the conditions of factories in China but until the core business practice of making a profit changes, nothing will change.



um, there is already a mechanism for changing things: it's called consumer choice. if people stood firmly on their own principles, if they listened to the feeling in their head that tells them something is wrong and acted accordingly by not giving their money to the companies perpetrating the wrong then things would change. we all know this.

the real barrier is that boycotting something is difficult, costly and requires some thought. you have to be informed, and willing to draw the line. it's a difficult decision to make. to say, "i won't buy this ipad because of the working conditions i've heard about" is a lot to ask because it's such a nifty product. being informed is time consuming in and of itself!

the real reason why nothing will change is because people continue to avoid the difficult decisions. it's easy to lose sight of your own personal responsibility when everyone else is doing it. it's easy to reason that one person won't make a difference. it's easy to be uninformed.


your attitudes are toxic.
akula_girl  1 star
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Registered: 2001-5-9 23:21:44
*shrug*

Conflict diamonds are diamonds.

Just because you don't buy them, or the Foxconn components doesn't mean others will not buy them too.

Therefore, one person not buying them has no impact.

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That's why it STARTS with one person. Obviously, they try to recruit everyone into buying elsewhere with better conditions.
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