actually I think what they are getting at is that the FETUS is an equal and has a right to life... those the "pro life" thing

 

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why make this about religion? The law already stipulates that killing is wrong. Its barely a moral thing much less a religious thing. Allowing abortion is one of the major reasons why society is so irresponsible as we are now. People think/say, "oh I got pregnant but I can just have an abortion and get rid of it." How would it be if people were like, "Oh I have a spouse but I dont want her anymore so Im going to shoot her when she gets home." You really cant blame that on religion. People are always looking for the easy way out. Society feels so entitled now that they can devalue human life to call a precious human baby that theyve help to conceive a "mistake." How much more cold and callous can we get?

No one has a right to do anything(with their own body or not) if it infringes on the rights of another human being. By making that choice to kill a baby you are infringing on its right to life. Its not about women being second class citizens its about first and foremost women taking responsibility for themselves and not getting pregnant in the first place and secondly its about taking personal responsibility for your choices and facing the consequences of those actions. I still like how no one has even said how a person can be charged with killing a baby if they kill the mother yet abortions happen all across the US and murderers are going in out and of abortion clinics daily

 

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I think that's what they believe. But there is no compelling evidence of it. In the absence of compelling evidence one way or the other I side with the rights of the mother. Anything else is using the government to enforce the tenets of your religion on others.

 

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HAH!

whatever lets you sleep at night, bub.

 

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Go back and talk to your health teacher a more, maybe he'll teach you a little bit about reality. You are a disgraceful spokesman for the pro-lifer side on this issue.

Hint:



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Does not equal

 

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Make this about religion? Christian abortion bombers made this about religion. The Amoral Majority made this about religion. The confused tea bagger movement (can't decide if they are about taxes or just the old right wing Christians or neo-cons) made this about religion.

The real question, and you touched on it, is if a fetus is a separate and distinct human being with rights of their own. Since the religious folks apply their beliefs and ignore any science it is about the enforcement of their religious beliefs by the government.

And Ron Paul has no claims to being for liberty.

 

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I don't sleep well at all but I note you have no compelling evidence to present. It's all about religious views and enforcing them via the government. I can tell you that a mother is clearly an separate individual human with rights of their own. Forced medical procedures in the name of "liberty" is feces.

 

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you want to talk about responsibility?

for more than a decade, the us gov has supported and funded a abstinence based policy when it comes to sex, especially for tens.
$10B+ has been spent promoting this.

so teach the kids ignorance and see what happens.
religion was created by the human psychological need to repress and separate us from the animal kingdom. because at our very core animal instincts still exist they are just repressed.

 

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To me, all the right to an abortion does is leave a woman who is already deeply stressed and fearful a way to make a decision that will scar them for the rest of their life... and kill an unborn human being

For one, I feel that I stand as proof that Abortion isnt the right way to go. My mother got pregnant at age 16 back in 1968 and her father kicked her out on the street. She dropped out of school and got a job scaling fish in a factory till she was almost 8 months pregnant and had me. After that she set out to better herself thorough getting an education and hard work.

I'd like to think that I have been a benefit to the world. I'd like to think that my offspring will be a benefit to the world. These things are the result of my mother's decision to have me.

I don't need science OR religion to tell me that you aren't doing the right thing by killing the fetus, all I have to do is consider the bigger picture.

 

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but your not considering the big picture here.

the world pop is what 7-8B people and climbing at a exponential rate with dwindling resources. big picture look at the family size limits imposed in China that is a snapshot of the future. you can argue freedom, rights, liberty, blah blah blah but if we had the same population as China guess what there would be limits imposed on family size.

 

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