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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
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_Gimpzilla_ posted:

Women wanting an abortion would be required to have an ultrasound device stuck up in their vajayjay, for no reason other than to make them feel guilty for having an abortion and to incur additional unnecessary health care costs. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated _for_no_medical_reason.html They are sure focused on fixing the economy.

So women shouldnt feel any guilt for murdering their unborn baby? Good for Virginia taking a moral stand. That law should be enacted all over the country.

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
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Brother_Tempus posted:

_Gimpzilla_ posted:

The child doesn't have an unconditional right to use the mom's uterus.

just the inalienable right to life

What about the mother's life? Is that forefit automatically because she's pregnant (let's, for argument's sake, say that the mother was raped, that the pregnancy was not the result of regular, consensual intercourse)?

so you compound one tragedy with another... That makes *total* sense to me.

 

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rabbitslayer  3 stars
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when did they invent immaculate abortion?

save for the "push her down the stairs" method, aren't all abortion invasive medical procedures?
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Brother_Tempus posted:

that's not we are talking about here but since you are bringing it up

If the baby's birth endangers the mother's life than an abortion is acceptable since life cannot come at the cost of life

If conception occurs because of rape, an abortion is acceptable because the act of sex that allowed conception to occur was not consensual

however if the act of sex was consensual and there are no medical limitations to giving birth by the mother, an abortion becomes murder and the doctor should be arrested for the act and the mother arrested as an accessory


personal responsibility and accountability do not go out the door because of of inconvenience



Oh, well thanks for clearing it up for us and giving your personal approval for this. Thanks for oking an adult's right to make a decision.

Now if only you could convince Ron Paul, considering he said he has never seen a woman's life in danger delivering a child and does not believe it actually happens. Sounds like a pretty crappy OB/GYN if you ask me.

And since you brought it up, the process of abortion has nothing to do with your skewing of personal responsibility and accountability. You are trying to frame that statement in a way that slants it as "getting pregnant = responsibility". That's asinine. It is an adult making a decision on what is best for that adult's life. If you want to stretch it, one could argue responsibility in the form of an adult knowing they aren't ready to take care of a life.
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NonOffensiveName posted:

_Gimpzilla_ posted:

Women wanting an abortion would be required to have an ultrasound device stuck up in their vajayjay, for no reason other than to make them feel guilty for having an abortion and to incur additional unnecessary health care costs. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated _for_no_medical_reason.html They are sure focused on fixing the economy.

So women shouldnt feel any guilt for murdering their unborn baby? Good for Virginia taking a moral stand. That law should be enacted all over the country.



But when a person has a moral stand against gays then that is a horrible travesty right?


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/17/10437521-nj-gov-christie-vetoes-same-sex-marriage-bill


He's just standing up for his morals as well. Morals are not law and trying to push your morals on another is asinine.

 

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suntzukali2  3 stars
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To many people in the world anyways. Not sure anti abortion laws are what any country needs.

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
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Lothland posted:

NonOffensiveName posted:

_Gimpzilla_ posted:

Women wanting an abortion would be required to have an ultrasound device stuck up in their vajayjay, for no reason other than to make them feel guilty for having an abortion and to incur additional unnecessary health care costs. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated _for_no_medical_reason.html They are sure focused on fixing the economy.

So women shouldnt feel any guilt for murdering their unborn baby? Good for Virginia taking a moral stand. That law should be enacted all over the country.

But when a person has a moral stand against gays then that is a horrible travesty right? http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/17 /10437521-nj-gov-christie-vetoes-same-sex-marriage-bill He's just standing up for his morals as well. Morals are not law and trying to push your morals on another is asinine.

so basically you're for letting out all the murderers on death row too? How can the law be hypocritical in saying that the premeditated taking of one life is wrong but another life isnt?

Nice try with the strawman argument though since gay rights are no where near the same thing as committing the murder of an unborn child. Gay rights dont infringe on another person's rights in any way shape or form. They hate just for the sake of hating. Pro abortionists fight to save lives.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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Early stages of human development are no more alive than a growing tumor, and less alive than a plant.

Killing plants is murder!

 

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Lothland  1 star
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NonOffensiveName posted:

Lothland posted:

NonOffensiveName posted:

_Gimpzilla_ posted:

Women wanting an abortion would be required to have an ultrasound device stuck up in their vajayjay, for no reason other than to make them feel guilty for having an abortion and to incur additional unnecessary health care costs. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated _for_no_medical_reason.html They are sure focused on fixing the economy.

So women shouldnt feel any guilt for murdering their unborn baby? Good for Virginia taking a moral stand. That law should be enacted all over the country.

But when a person has a moral stand against gays then that is a horrible travesty right? http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/17 /10437521-nj-gov-christie-vetoes-same-sex-marriage-bill He's just standing up for his morals as well. Morals are not law and trying to push your morals on another is asinine.

so basically you're for letting out all the murderers on death row too? How can the law be hypocritical in saying that the premeditated taking of one life is wrong but another life isnt?

Nice try with the strawman argument though since gay rights are no where near the same thing as committing the murder of an unborn child. Gay rights dont infringe on another person's rights in any way shape or form. They hate just for the sake of hating. Pro abortionists fight to save lives.



Murder in your definition, sorry but the law says otherwise, so yeah it is moral

All it will take is a person with money and a lawyer and this can be defined as cruel and unusual punishment and it will get thrown out and just end up wasting more money. It is not your body, your kid, or your right to tell people what to do based on what you think no matter how much you would like to think so.


Thanks for biting though, it's too easy with you. Glad we agree with your last sentence as well.

 

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NonOffensiveName  3 stars
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Lothland posted:

NonOffensiveName posted:

Lothland posted:

NonOffensiveName posted:
_Gimpzilla_ posted: Women wanting an abortion would be required to have an ultrasound device stuck up in their vajayjay, for no reason other than to make them feel guilty for having an abortion and to incur additional unnecessary health care costs. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/virginia_ultrasound_law_women_who_want_an_abortion_will_be_forcibly_penetrated _for_no_medical_reason.html They are sure focused on fixing the economy.

So women shouldnt feel any guilt for murdering their unborn baby? Good for Virginia taking a moral stand. That law should be enacted all over the country.

But when a person has a moral stand against gays then that is a horrible travesty right? http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/17 /10437521-nj-gov-christie-vetoes-same-sex-marriage-bill He's just standing up for his morals as well. Morals are not law and trying to push your morals on another is asinine.

so basically you're for letting out all the murderers on death row too? How can the law be hypocritical in saying that the premeditated taking of one life is wrong but another life isnt? Nice try with the strawman argument though since gay rights are no where near the same thing as committing the murder of an unborn child. Gay rights dont infringe on another person's rights in any way shape or form. They hate just for the sake of hating. Pro abortionists fight to save lives. Murder in your definition, sorry but the law says otherwise, so yeah it is moral All it will take is a person with money and a lawyer and this can be defined as cruel and unusual punishment and it will get thrown out and just end up wasting more money. It is not your body, your kid, or your right to tell people what to do based on what you think no matter how much you would like to think so. Thanks for biting though, it's too easy with you. Glad we agree with your last sentence as well. Its premeditated murder by any law definition not just how I define it. People plan and carry out the execution of another living human being, its plain and simple as that. I dont see how its any different than the guy sitting on death row who waited for his wife to come home and then shot her point blank in the face. Which ironically and hypocritically, if she were pregnant, he would be charged with TWO murders if the baby dies.

 

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