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_sooz_  Posts: 1,256
Registered: 2004-12-4 11:40:44
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Republicans propose ultrasound rape law in Virginia |
Brother_Tempus posted:
_sooz_ posted:
What i want to know is, since they are so keen to basically scare women into keeping pregnancies, what happens to the women who, yeah they might have been stupid and gotten pregnant when they should have used BC etc, but those women who cannot afford to support/ look after a child? Who's going to pay for the extra welfare, medical expenses etc
there is always adoption
_sooz_ posted:
What i want to know is, since they are so keen to basically scare women into keeping pregnancies, what happens to the women who, yeah they might have been stupid and gotten pregnant when they should have used BC etc, but those women who cannot afford to support/ look after a child? Who's going to pay for the extra welfare, medical expenses etc etc.
The American government is groaning under the financial weight of it's own population AS IT IS, how is forcing more women to keep pregnancies that they cant/ wont look after going to help? Yes, SOME of those children can be adopted, but it wouldnt be long before the number of people looking to adopt was outweighed by the number of "available" children. And then what? Oh, the state has to look after them. More money that the US government doesnt have, but will have to pay.
I already answered you, if you'd read the rest of my reply. Supply/ demand means that there is always the risk that there are more unwanted babies than there are adoptive parents if the number of unwanted pregnancies increases too far.
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Lothland  Posts: 194
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
maybe then we wouldnt need to go to Haiti to get our adoptions
If you think it has anything to do with abortion numbers then you really are uninformed on to how hard it is to adopt a kid in the US.
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-Kruugar- Posts: 210
Registered: 2005-3-4 14:35:00
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regulator_cracka posted:
Ah, election year.
Yep. When American television is pretty much the world's comedy network.
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Talehon69  Title: Anonymous Entity
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Brother_Tempus posted:
that's not we are talking about here but since you are bringing it up
If the baby's birth endangers the mother's life than an abortion is acceptable since life cannot come at the cost of life
If conception occurs because of rape, an abortion is acceptable because the act of sex that allowed conception to occur was not consensual
however if the act of sex was consensual and there are no medical limitations to giving birth by the mother, an abortion becomes murder and the doctor should be arrested for the act and the mother arrested as an accessory
personal responsibility and accountability do not go out the door because of of inconvenience
So, magic rules make it okay for so-called "murder"? It either is or isn't, there's no special circumstance that changes what you claim it is.
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Fozzie_Bear Posts: 2,490
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Lothland posted:
Fozzie_Bear posted:
maybe then we wouldnt need to go to Haiti to get our adoptions
If you think it has anything to do with abortion numbers then you really are uninformed on to how hard it is to adopt a kid in the US.
I am! I only came here for the +1
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Sith_Mauler Posts: 1,851
Registered: 2002-12-21 13:40:03
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Republicans propose ultrasound rape law in Virginia |
Brother_Tempus posted:
_sooz_ posted:
What i want to know is, since they are so keen to basically scare women into keeping pregnancies, what happens to the women who, yeah they might have been stupid and gotten pregnant when they should have used BC etc, but those women who cannot afford to support/ look after a child? Who's going to pay for the extra welfare, medical expenses etc
there is always adoption
and who takes care of kids awaiting adoption?
social services does and who pays for that oh yeah our tax dollars.
somebody has to pay for the care of this child until it finds a home.
but really we dont care as we sit in our warm homes and troll each other on the internet.
after all its just another faceless child thrown into the system and doomed to live a crappy life learning nothing substantial or meaningful.
and when they grow up they might have kids that perpetuate the cycle.
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Lothland Posts: 194
Registered: 2004-3-8 02:11:56
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Republicans propose ultrasound rape law in Virginia |
Fozzie_Bear posted:
Lothland posted:
Fozzie_Bear posted:
maybe then we wouldnt need to go to Haiti to get our adoptions
If you think it has anything to do with abortion numbers then you really are uninformed on to how hard it is to adopt a kid in the US.
I am! I only came here for the +1
and LOOK! I got you one too
You got it totally wrong! They go to China! 
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Fozzie_Bear Posts: 2,490
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Sith_Mauler posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
_sooz_ posted:
What i want to know is, since they are so keen to basically scare women into keeping pregnancies, what happens to the women who, yeah they might have been stupid and gotten pregnant when they should have used BC etc, but those women who cannot afford to support/ look after a child? Who's going to pay for the extra welfare, medical expenses etc
there is always adoption
and who takes care of kids awaiting adoption?
more jobs for Americans!
FK YEAH!
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Brother_Tempus Title: Patriot
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Talehon69 posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
that's not we are talking about here but since you are bringing it up
If the baby's birth endangers the mother's life than an abortion is acceptable since life cannot come at the cost of life
If conception occurs because of rape, an abortion is acceptable because the act of sex that allowed conception to occur was not consensual
however if the act of sex was consensual and there are no medical limitations to giving birth by the mother, an abortion becomes murder and the doctor should be arrested for the act and the mother arrested as an accessory
personal responsibility and accountability do not go out the door because of of inconvenience
So, magic rules make it okay for so-called "murder"? It either is or isn't, there's no special circumstance that changes what you claim it is.
if you call the law, "magic rules", then yes
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_sooz_ Posts: 1,256
Registered: 2004-12-4 11:40:44
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Republicans propose ultrasound rape law in Virginia |
Sith_Mauler posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
_sooz_ posted:
What i want to know is, since they are so keen to basically scare women into keeping pregnancies, what happens to the women who, yeah they might have been stupid and gotten pregnant when they should have used BC etc, but those women who cannot afford to support/ look after a child? Who's going to pay for the extra welfare, medical expenses etc
there is always adoption
and who takes care of kids awaiting adoption?
social services does and who pays for that oh yeah our tax dollars.
somebody has to pay for the care of this child until it finds a home.
And for the kids who were shuttled from foster home to foster home, and end up with things like RAD, making them more difficult to find permanent parents for, the government will have to pay for their treatment and care, potentially right up until they are 18.
The thing is, Pro-Lifer's (the really adamant ones especially) seem to carry this rose-tinted view that out there is a loving home for every child, whether that is with the birth parents or with an adoptive or foster parent. They cannot (or will not) see the amount of burden these children will place on the state (and i know that isnt the child's fault, before anyone accuses me of blaming innocent children and all that) and the taxpayer, they just seem to think that the baby will just pop straight out of the birth canal and into the loving arms of a parent, nothing in between.
And the reason they have this attitude, i think, is because if they actually stopped to think, they would have to admit that sometimes the best option IS to abort the pregnancy. Because money and space (as in land space, space in schools, space in facilities etc, not space as in the universe ) are not infinate, and the more babies that are born into a world that cannot look after them, the worse it gets.
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