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Kanga_Roo  Posts: 439
Registered: 2002-2-26 12:58:17
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
To me, all the right to an abortion does is leave a woman who is already deeply stressed and fearful a way to make a decision that will scar them for the rest of their life... and kill an unborn human being
For one, I feel that I stand as proof that Abortion isnt the right way to go. My mother got pregnant at age 16 back in 1968 and her father kicked her out on the street. She dropped out of school and got a job scaling fish in a factory till she was almost 8 months pregnant and had me. After that she set out to better herself thorough getting an education and hard work.
I'd like to think that I have been a benefit to the world. I'd like to think that my offspring will be a benefit to the world. These things are the result of my mother's decision to have me.
I don't need science OR religion to tell me that you aren't doing the right thing by killing the fetus, all I have to do is consider the bigger picture.
I agree with most of what you say. But this is a personal choice and not for the government. It isn't for us to determine what's best for another individual.
Women such as your mother make a choice to complete a pregnancy because they have that choice. Take that choice away and attitudes will be different. A women who would have chosen to complete the term and been happy about it but is instead forced to give birth will have a different attitude. That will affect the child.
Your Mom made a choice and I think it was a good one but she had a choice. Don't take that away. Good choices are corrupted when they are coerced.
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levgre  Posts: 606
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The "benefit to society" argument is not valid nor appropriate in discussing this issue. Something to be considered, to remind us of the great potential of human life? Yes. Leading to a reasonable conclusion on the definition of a human being, and reproductive rights? No.
Continuing the argument, any good mother who uses contraception or otherwise limits their reproduction level to less than they could happily manage, is doing something wrong. Good mothers should have lots of babies.
And what if the person would be a bad parent, and most likely mold their child into a burden or detriment to society? Well I guess those pregnancies are okay to abort. Nay, they SHOULD be aborted.
The whole topic is so injected with emotion that debates are obfuscated with arguments that can't lead to any sensible agreements.
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Sith_Mauler posted:
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Sith_Mauler posted:
so basically all you people that are pro-life basically like to classify women as unequals, because of their sex they are forced to carry out an "pregnancy" because of somebodies religious beliefs. also you are supporting that women have no rights or choices in regards to their body, when it comes to religious teachings. So Christians and Muslims arent too far apart on their placement of women. please a embryo is not a living human until it can survive outside the womb without machines. in the first 2 trimesters a baby is nothing more than a parasite that is made with human dna.
why make this about religion? The law already stipulates that killing is wrong. Its barely a moral thing much less a religious thing. Allowing abortion is one of the major reasons why society is so irresponsible as we are now. People think/say, "oh I got pregnant but I can just have an abortion and get rid of it." How would it be if people were like, "Oh I have a spouse but I dont want her anymore so Im going to shoot her when she gets home." You really cant blame that on religion. People are always looking for the easy way out. Society feels so entitled now that they can devalue human life to call a precious human baby that theyve help to conceive a "mistake." How much more cold and callous can we get? No one has a right to do anything(with their own body or not) if it infringes on the rights of another human being. By making that choice to kill a baby you are infringing on its right to life. Its not about women being second class citizens its about first and foremost women taking responsibility for themselves and not getting pregnant in the first place and secondly its about taking personal responsibility for your choices and facing the consequences of those actions. I still like how no one has even said how a person can be charged with killing a baby if they kill the mother yet abortions happen all across the US and murderers are going in out and of abortion clinics daily
you want to talk about responsibility? for more than a decade, the us gov has supported and funded a abstinence based policy when it comes to sex, especially for tens. $10B+ has been spent promoting this. so teach the kids ignorance and see what happens. religion was created by the human psychological need to repress and separate us from the animal kingdom. because at our very core animal instincts still exist they are just repressed.
so animal instinct teaches you to kill your young while they are still in the womb? yeah that makes total sense!
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Sith_Mauler posted:
Fozzie_Bear posted:
To me, all the right to an abortion does is leave a woman who is already deeply stressed and fearful a way to make a decision that will scar them for the rest of their life... and kill an unborn human being For one, I feel that I stand as proof that Abortion isnt the right way to go. My mother got pregnant at age 16 back in 1968 and her father kicked her out on the street. She dropped out of school and got a job scaling fish in a factory till she was almost 8 months pregnant and had me. After that she set out to better herself thorough getting an education and hard work. I'd like to think that I have been a benefit to the world. I'd like to think that my offspring will be a benefit to the world. These things are the result of my mother's decision to have me. I don't need science OR religion to tell me that you aren't doing the right thing by killing the fetus, all I have to do is consider the bigger picture.
but your not considering the big picture here. the world pop is what 7-8B people and climbing at a exponential rate with dwindling resources. big picture look at the family size limits imposed in China that is a snapshot of the future. you can argue freedom, rights, liberty, blah blah blah but if we had the same population as China guess what there would be limits imposed on family size.
so the way you sleep is night by telling yourself its ok to kill another human being because "there are too many already?" Or you dehumanize a fetus just by telling yourself that its not a "viable" human being when 9 times out of 10 babies that are aborted are perfectly healthy? wow..just wow...like I said before how much more cold and callous can we as a people possibly get?
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levgre posted:
NonOffensiveName posted:
Sith_Mauler posted:
so basically all you people that are pro-life basically like to classify women as unequals, because of their sex they are forced to carry out an "pregnancy" because of somebodies religious beliefs. also you are supporting that women have no rights or choices in regards to their body, when it comes to religious teachings. So Christians and Muslims arent too far apart on their placement of women. please a embryo is not a living human until it can survive outside the womb without machines. in the first 2 trimesters a baby is nothing more than a parasite that is made with human dna.
why make this about religion? The law already stipulates that killing is wrong. Its barely a moral thing much less a religious thing. Allowing abortion is one of the major reasons why society is so irresponsible as we are now. People think/say, "oh I got pregnant but I can just have an abortion and get rid of it." How would it be if people were like, "Oh I have a spouse but I dont want her anymore so Im going to shoot her when she gets home." You really cant blame that on religion. People are always looking for the easy way out. Society feels so entitled now that they can devalue human life to call a precious human baby that theyve help to conceive a "mistake." How much more cold and callous can we get? No one has a right to do anything(with their own body or not) if it infringes on the rights of another human being. By making that choice to kill a baby you are infringing on its right to life. Its not about women being second class citizens its about first and foremost women taking responsibility for themselves and not getting pregnant in the first place and secondly its about taking personal responsibility for your choices and facing the consequences of those actions. I still like how no one has even said how a person can be charged with killing a baby if they kill the mother yet abortions happen all across the US and murderers are going in out and of abortion clinics daily
Go back and talk to your health teacher a more, maybe he'll teach you a little bit about reality. You are a disgraceful spokesman for the pro-lifer side on this issue. Hint:  or  or  Does not equal 
yes just like a tiny seed wont grow into a huge tree or a baby tadpole wont grow into a frog right?  You cant deny something that is already a given fact...well you can but it just makes you look stupid. I dont really care if a fetus is viable while its still in the womb..you and I both know that it WILL be an independent human being when its born. You cant just turn a blind eye to knowing what something WILL be
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levgre Posts: 606
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The potential human argument doesn't make a bit of sense.
1: It involuntarily admits that the human "seed" is fundamentally different from an actual human... it grows INTO a human.
2. It includes early stages of development where it is so blatantly obvious that those cells/DNA do not deserve the protections/rights of grown humans. I.E. sperm and egg cells, the early zygote stages.
Time for sleep. Not much point in arguing this topic, although ACF hasn't had an abortion thread in a while. Good fun!
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levgre posted:
The potential human argument doesn't make a bit of sense. 1: It involuntarily admits that the human "seed" is fundamentally different from an actual human... it grows INTO a human. 2. It includes early stages of development where it is so blatantly obvious that those cells/DNA do not deserve protection equal to grown humans. I.E. sperm and egg cells, the early zygote stages. Time for sleep. Not much point in arguing this topic, although ACF hasn't had an abortion thread in a while. Good fun!
Just because its "different" doesnt preclude it from being in the early stages of human growth. Once and egg and sperm meet and form a zygote that is the point that it becomes a human with rights even though its just in the early stages of growth of what you and I know will become a viable human. Its viable where its meant to be viable. Just because its not viable outside of the womb doesnt make it deserve any less protection under the law because it is viable where it should be viable. You could take an adult human into outer space without a space suit/oxygen. Do they deserve to die because they cant survive/aren't viable without oxygen?
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Ptilk  Title: Creepy old pirate
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You know, a sizable percentage of all fertilized human eggs never implant into the uterus or, even when they do, get to remain there past the first normal female cycle...and they are just flushed out of the system.
So are you anti-choise luddites going to start demanding that god be held accountable for the Billions of fertilized eggs that never grow into humans? Is god a "murderer"? If you think it's ok to abort when it's an 11 year old who was raped every god damn night by her step father.....why? Two wrongs make a right? Or is it you think murder is OK as long as someone got raped before hand?
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Fozzie_Bear Posts: 2,490
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When we are all bound by Sharia Law, this arguement will be moot.
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
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Sharia law allows abortion for any reason up to 16 weeks.
Damn. You anti-choice idiots suck. Even radical Muslim terrorist assholes are more informed and ethical than you.
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