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-Foxy-  5 stars
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Registered: 2002-5-29 21:46:17
DunesVladHarkonnen posted:

Doctors of ACF: I bought a Coke to have with my lunch

Will I die tomorrow?



can i have your stuff?

 

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AkagiyamaMissile  4 stars
Title: Lord of the Lactose Intolerant
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Registered: 2003-4-22 07:39:44
Hawkson posted:

the_great_ontex posted:

This is why crystal clear pepsi should make a comeback

and Josta



I miss Crystal Pepsi.



I thought I was the only one!

 

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deadcactus  3 stars
Posts: 669
Registered: 2001-12-27 09:17:08
-Kruugar- posted:

Food dyes are dumb anyways...

I only care about the taste



Vision, smell, taste, and emotion are tied together...

 

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Jezza_Belle  4 stars
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Posts: 2,771
Registered: 2001-2-24 02:29:30
I wish they'd quit putting fake color in most things, I really don't give a crap what color they are, if it doesn't alter the taste.

 

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myxomatosis8  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-7-14 23:45:21
Jezza_Belle posted:

I wish they'd quit putting fake color in most things, I really don't give a crap what color they are, if it doesn't alter the taste.



LIES. I can't stand the taste of red velvet cupcakes, it's not the same as regular chocolate ones.

 

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Anebriated  3 stars
Title: I should be reading a book
Posts: 650
Registered: 2003-1-27 21:26:11
Darwynnia posted:

Meh, someone else spammed my facebook newsfeed with this story.

Caramel food coloring has between 0.02-0.002% 4-Methylimidazole, according to Toxnet's sources. So if a 330mL can contains 3 grams of caramel coloring (I have no idea how much a can has) then there's 0.66mg in it. They don't mention how much of it was found in Coke or Pepsi, but if there's 47 ug in the others, then the math would estimate each can has ~ 0.3 grams (since .66 mg = 660 ug) of caramel coloring.

The reported adverse effects from oral doses on animals are at 360 mg/kg of 4-Methylimidazole (convulsions, etc). So comparatively speaking, there's very little 4-Methylimidazole in a soda. Heck you'd have to drink thousands of cans per day to be at a dangerous level. Plus, the halflife estimate for 4-Methylimidazole is 1.8 hours, with the excretion route via urine.

I'm not worried.



you calculated risk of inducing a seizure, not risk of cancer. and since we don't know of the harmful agent is 4-MI itself or a metabolite, 4-MI's half-life isn't all that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17619857
"Groups of 50 male and 50 female F344/N rats were fed diets containing 0-, 625-, 1,250-, or 2,500 ppm 4MI (males) or 0-, 1,250-, 2,500-, or 5,000 ppm 4MI (females) for 106 weeks.Based on the food consumption the calculated average daily doses were approximately 30, 55, or 115 mg 4MI/kg body weight to males and 60, 120, or 250 mg 4MI/kg to females"
"The incidences of alveolar/bronchiolar adenoma in all exposed groups of females, alveolar/bronchiolar carcinoma in 1,250 ppm males, and alveolar/bronchiolar adenoma or carcinoma (combined) in 1,250 ppm males and 625- and 1,250 ppm females were significantly greater than those in the control groups"


sig. effects at 30mg-60mg/kg a day for 106weeks. i didn't look up their endpoints or redo your calculations because i am lazy. i wonder how many hundreds of other chemicals with a similar risk we expose ourselves to. lol i'm just playing devil's advocate. DC's right, lots of calories and no exercise is a truer culprit. everyday i see so many people on their way to a fat and slow death.
levgre  3 stars
Posts: 606
Registered: 2001-10-24 07:24:49
deadcactus posted:

Sarena_WE posted:

That is like comparing apples to oranges. That and if someone smoked over a 1000 cigs in a day I would say that cancer wouldn't be what killed them.



That's a pretty safe bet for any smoker. It's always about cancer with smoking, heart attacks with obesity, stroke with diabetes, etc. I don't know why healthcare perspectives in the US focus on the rare, dramatic complications instead or the mundane s--t that really is scary...



Um Lung Cancer isn't a rare complication of smoking... smoking accounts for 87% of lung cancers in the US. And it is by far the deadliest form of cancer (meaning number of deaths, although survival rates aren't great).

 

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Jezza_Belle  4 stars
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myxomatosis8 posted:

Jezza_Belle posted:

I wish they'd quit putting fake color in most things, I really don't give a crap what color they are, if it doesn't alter the taste.



LIES. I can't stand the taste of red velvet cupcakes, it's not the same as regular chocolate ones.



Chocolate

Ingredients

2 cups boiling water
1 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
2 teaspoons baking soda
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup butter, softened
2 1/4 cups white sugar
4 eggs
1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract


Red Velvet

Ingredients
Vegetable oil for the pans
2 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1 1/2 cups sugar
1 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon fine salt
1 teaspoon cocoa powder
1 1/2 cups vegetable oil
1 cup buttermilk, at room temperature
2 large eggs, at room temperature
2 tablespoons red food coloring (1 ounce)
1 teaspoon white distilled vinegar
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
Cream Cheese Frosting, recipe follows
Crushed pecans, for garnish


Perhaps its the actual difference in the recipes that you dislike, other than the red food coloring.

Like the lack of butter, replaced with buttermilk, the extreme lack of cocoa powder in comparison... or the vinegar

I know not all chocolate and red velvet recipes are exactly like these, but I'm just pointing out that they do have other differences. I've always disliked red velvet because it's not very chocolaty and its always been dry when I had it.

 

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Ferrydust  3 stars
Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
Caramal color is the second ingredient in my coke zero! First is Water.

 

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silvadel  1 star
Title: MMRPG Expert
Posts: 165
Registered: 2001-4-18 11:54:17
They will replace something that has no chance of hurting you unless you drink hundreds of cases of soda every week with something that is not tested for the hundred-odd years what is in it has been tested.

 

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