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Sith_Mauler  Posts: 1,851
Registered: 2002-12-21 13:40:03
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Reapist posted:
Well, that's true too. And hey, I am all for them having their rights to fish like they always did.....like they always did. No modern equipment.
I know the five civilized tribes when they signed their treaties, they actually had very educated statesmen, lawyers, and other educated people draft up these treaties. So there was decent terms for the tribes, what screwed them was siding with the confederacy during the civil war. Which was the justification the US government used for basically ignoring these treaties, or only honoring them when they see fit. Now the Indians are getting educated again and they are making the government honor those treaties through the legal system.
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Fozzie_Bear Posts: 2,490
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getting back to the actual OP though,
if the KILLING of the bird is part of a/the religious ceremony of the Native Americans than we shouldn't be getting in the way of that so long as it happens on the reservation unless otherwise stated in treaty.
Aside from that if we are furnishing requests for the feathers without killing the birds and that satisfies the ceremony, why kill the bird? its not like we're passing off pidgeon feathers as eagle feathers or something.
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BritonGuy Title: Serious Business
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The casino thing makes no sense whatsoever and has nothing to do with the preservation of a nation, religion, or culture. It's a racist policy to only allow Indian Americans to open them.
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Registered: 2001-12-20 03:56:16
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
getting back to the actual OP though,
if the KILLING of the bird is part of a/the religious ceremony of the Native Americans than we shouldn't be getting in the way of that so long as it happens on the reservation unless otherwise stated in treaty.
Aside from that if we are furnishing requests for the feathers without killing the birds and that satisfies the ceremony, why kill the bird? its not like we're passing off pidgeon feathers as eagle feathers or something.
What is a pidgeon?
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JD_HOGG Posts: 2,846
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Why should they have to have the US grant them religious freedom, aren't they separate nations?
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Reapist Title: Official ACF HIOFI Poster
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BritonGuy posted:
The casino thing makes no sense whatsoever and has nothing to do with the preservation of a nation, religion, or culture. It's a racist policy to only allow Indian Americans to open them.
Ahhh, but you forget! Their reservation, their rules!
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jeune  Posts: 216
Registered: 2005-5-29 13:25:11
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
getting back to the actual OP though,
if the KILLING of the bird is part of a/the religious ceremony of the Native Americans than we shouldn't be getting in the way of that so long as it happens on the reservation unless otherwise stated in treaty.
Aside from that if we are furnishing requests for the feathers without killing the birds and that satisfies the ceremony, why kill the bird? its not like we're passing off pidgeon feathers as eagle feathers or something.
I think that the U.S. govt just collects the dead ones they find naturally... like killed from high power electricity wires. The problem is that there is a huge waiting list and it can take forever to get what you need for a ceremony because you have to wait for them to find a dead bird.
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Sith_Mauler Posts: 1,851
Registered: 2002-12-21 13:40:03
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BritonGuy posted:
The casino thing makes no sense whatsoever and has nothing to do with the preservation of a nation, religion, or culture. It's a racist policy to only allow Indian Americans to open them.
really are you that dense?
state governments can decide if casinos are legal or not.
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Sith_Mauler Posts: 1,851
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jeune posted:
Fozzie_Bear posted:
getting back to the actual OP though,
if the KILLING of the bird is part of a/the religious ceremony of the Native Americans than we shouldn't be getting in the way of that so long as it happens on the reservation unless otherwise stated in treaty.
Aside from that if we are furnishing requests for the feathers without killing the birds and that satisfies the ceremony, why kill the bird? its not like we're passing off pidgeon feathers as eagle feathers or something.
I think that the U.S. govt just collects the dead ones they find naturally... like killed from high power electricity wires. The problem is that there is a huge waiting list and it can take forever to get what you need for a ceremony because you have to wait for them to find a dead bird.
and how many of these eagles are found the instant they die?
I am figuring most are already in some later stage of decomposition.
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jeune Posts: 216
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Sith_Mauler posted:
and how many of these eagles are found the instant they die?
I am figuring most are already in some later stage of decomposition.
Honestly, I am guessing most never get found. I am also guessing that there are many Native people who simply ignore the rule and find their own... I am also guessing it is something the Govt. would be very hesitant to prosecute because of the bad PR.
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