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Rhodoman  Posts: 1,397
Registered: 2001-6-14 21:02:19
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Getting enough electricity from solar at home to power your vehicle cost-effectively is the dishonest assumption, here. Have you calculated the cost/benefit numbers on roof-installed solar? It's joke w/o gobs of gummint subsidy.
Rho
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-Mithan- Title: VNBoard Admin
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America has no future but death camps, food riots and social destruction.
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jeune  Posts: 216
Registered: 2005-5-29 13:25:11
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Rhodoman posted:
Getting enough electricity from solar at home to power your vehicle cost-effectively is the dishonest assumption, here. Have you calculated the cost/benefit numbers on roof-installed solar? It's joke w/o gobs of gummint subsidy.
Rho
I have not done a cost/benefit analysis of the costs of producing my own solar electricity that powers my house and powers the vehicle I drive. But I am guessing the payback time will be cut way down if you do not have to buy gas anymore for your car.
But I also doubt you have done an analysis and are just spewing out information based on only electrical use in your own home vs. buying power.
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cabbyman  Posts: 441
Registered: 2003-1-6 07:48:53
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-Mithan- posted:
America has no future but death camps, food riots and social destruction.
Hopefully I get to work the guard tower! 
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Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
Registered: 2001-6-14 21:02:19
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jeune posted:
Rhodoman posted:
Getting enough electricity from solar at home to power your vehicle cost-effectively is the dishonest assumption, here. Have you calculated the cost/benefit numbers on roof-installed solar? It's joke w/o gobs of gummint subsidy.
Rho
I have not done a cost/benefit analysis of the costs of producing my own solar electricity that powers my house and powers the vehicle I drive. But I am guessing the payback time will be cut way down if you do not have to buy gas anymore for your car.
But I also doubt you have done an analysis and are just spewing out information based on only electrical use in your own home vs. buying power.
Doubt all you like. I have run the numbers on solar for my roof 4 or 5 times during my 20+ years of home ownership. Every single time it comes out a loser, even WITH the subsidies.
Rho
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warflea Title: Resident Mathematician
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Registered: 2001-8-22 12:57:18
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I'm all for it, if we stop subsidizing other energy companies too. Especially the ones that seem to take their handout, give huge bonuses, then go bankrupt.
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
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Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
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Subsidizing new and emerging technology is in our collective best interest.
Subsidizing established and highly profitable technology is god damned stupid.
Oh, and there is NO doubt that electric engines are much more efficient than internal combustion engines. Anyone claiming differently is wrong.
There is room to debate the total efficiency of the getting the potential energy to each type of engine, but that soon becomes such a nebulous mass of double speak and cherry picking of "facts" that support your opinion....that it is meaningless.
There is plenty of room in the market for electric vehicles to take their stab at getting a chunk, as well as CNG fueled vehicles and others to try to take a piece of that market.
Government support of such "alternative fuels" will dramatically shorten the time to market efficiency for any serious option over IC engine vehicles, and as such, is at the very least a worthy subject of informed and logical debate as to the merits of doing so.
Unfortunately, informed and logical debate is a lost art form in 21st century America.
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Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
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Ptilk posted:
There is room to debate the total efficiency of the getting the potential energy to each type of engine
Good thing, since it is the argument that actually matters. ;}
Rho
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warflea Title: Resident Mathematician
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It is not in our collective best interest. All a subsidy buys is hope. If a technology truly has promise, private investors will assume the risk. Sadly, the only innovation going on now is figuring out how to siphon the most out of the government coffers. If the government stopped the handouts, those energies would have to refocus on increasing productivity.
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
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It all matters, and as said above......it's far from a clear cut issue with obvious and easy to quantify answers. No matter what anyone on either side of the issue (such as yourself) claims.
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