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aon_mixed  4 stars
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a 100 meter split between everyone on the ground would make for a very ineffective phalynx, ya think?

 

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levgre  3 stars
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Sith_Mauler posted:

levgre posted:

aon_mixed posted:

what a 155 looks like after it explodes



imagine that ripping through a crowd of lightly armored soldiers



I don't think they'd crowd up, Romans have knowledge and experience with area effect weapons. They were very flexible with their tactics.



no they arent,Roman legions are basically rank and file massed formations.
that break down into smaller groups of rank and file formations.



If you think that is close to the extent of Roman tactics... well you should read some instead of basing it off Rome: Total War.


aon_mixed posted:

a 100 meter split between everyone on the ground would make for a very ineffective phalynx, ya think?



Why would they use a phalanx when it was an unsuitable tactic?

I don't know how large a quantity of artillery shells with a strong 900 ft. killzone they'd have. Is that standard for all artillery shells?

 

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Stormyblade  3 stars
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So...did no one watch the movie The Final Countdown? They had no GPS, just one aircraft carrier, and they were going to go to war with the Japanese fleet and pretty much blow it away.


I would imagine that even one Marine group would have the training and knowledge of history to take advantage of the limited resources and battle tactics to their advantage because their officers are educated and trained for several different scenarios. Hell, one of the reasons Patton was such a smart general was because he studied past battles and tactics and tried to apply those to the current battle he was fighting. Even with limited ammunition, I'm betting that a recon/sniper team would be deployed and sniper team(s) would be taking out some key targets, i.e. Roman officers, thereby throwing the legions into confusion.

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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Cuttlery posted:

aon_mixed posted:

what a 155 looks like after it explodes



imagine that ripping through a crowd of lightly armored soldiers



The Romans had Greek Fire. And I doubt they would group up after they figured out what was going on, they werent stupid.



How do you avoid something that you cant hear or see?

Arty has range of miles.

 

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Cuttlery  4 stars
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aon_mixed posted:

The kill zone is approximately a radius of 50 meters and casualty radius is 100 meters



But it isnt very mobile. You get a couple dozen units of 4 archers on horseback and your artillery piece is useless, it cant move fast enough. The Romans would just use hit and run tactics on horseback from all sides coordinated at the same tine and pick guys off a few at a time. They could literally lose thounands to 1 and still win.

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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levgre posted:

Sith_Mauler posted:

levgre posted:

aon_mixed posted:

what a 155 looks like after it explodes



imagine that ripping through a crowd of lightly armored soldiers



I don't think they'd crowd up, Romans have knowledge and experience with area effect weapons. They were very flexible with their tactics.



no they arent,Roman legions are basically rank and file massed formations.
that break down into smaller groups of rank and file formations.



If you think that is close to the extent of Roman tactics... well you should read some instead of basing it off Rome: Total War.




I have studied military history legions have to form up, otherwise they ineffective.

 

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Cuttlery  4 stars
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Sith_Mauler posted:

I have studied military history legions have to form up, otherwise they ineffective.



Plus he was in the military, a General even! Even though he seems to know little about it..

 

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Cuttlery posted:

aon_mixed posted:

The kill zone is approximately a radius of 50 meters and casualty radius is 100 meters



But it isnt very mobile. You get a couple dozen units of 4 archers on horseback and your artillery piece is useless, it cant move fast enough. The Romans would just use hit and run tactics on horseback from all sides coordinated at the same tine and pick guys off a few at a time. They could literally lose thounands to 1 and still win.



you dont have to be mobile when you have a 20 mile range and you fire for effect dropping a round every minute.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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Sith_Mauler posted:

levgre posted:

Sith_Mauler posted:

levgre posted:

aon_mixed posted:

what a 155 looks like after it explodes



imagine that ripping through a crowd of lightly armored soldiers



I don't think they'd crowd up, Romans have knowledge and experience with area effect weapons. They were very flexible with their tactics.



no they arent,Roman legions are basically rank and file massed formations.
that break down into smaller groups of rank and file formations.



If you think that is close to the extent of Roman tactics... well you should read some instead of basing it off Rome: Total War.




I have studied military history legions have to form up, otherwise they ineffective.


Of course, because they were fighting opponents who were basically always in similarly packed formations. So yes forgoing proper military tactics would make them ineffective.

They had the best logistics/planning/communication, they would have the flexibility to forgo a typical rank formation.

 

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Cuttlery posted:

Sith_Mauler posted:

I have studied military history legions have to form up, otherwise they ineffective.



Plus he was in the military, a General even! Even though he seems to know little about it..



who is the idiot that thinks horse mounted archers is more effective that 155mm howitzer?

 

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