As usual...




My remarks are about courtesy. My remarks have nothing at all to do with what PuGs can accomplish vs. organized progression minded guilds.

If you say you're going to show up, then you show up. If you know it's likely something will come up, then you shouldn't commit, or at the very least you should indicate that your participation is tentative at best. If something does come up that you didn't expect, then well yes, "stuff" happens. Even hard core guilds understand that.

Hard core guilds also understand that for some people, often people who are not "like-minded" with respect to the rest of the guild's commitment to a given play style, that something *always* seems to come up.

I've been a member of one of the most hard core guilds around, their attendance requirement was that you be available for I think it was 90% of raids, but they also made allowances for "emergencies" on a case by case basis if those emergencies would entail a long term (i.e. more than a week or two - more than a typical vacation) worth of absences. Most less hard-core but still progression minded guilds have attendance policies of 75 or 80% of raids.

The fact that you refuse to see the truth of this Gutter reflects your lack of tolerance for play styles different than your own.


Troll moar nub.


Oh and I just saw this:





Get this through your thick fkn skull:

For some people playing this game, fast progress through PvE content is fun. Raiding with like-minded individuals that they speak to day-in and day-out in vent is fun.

For some people, organizing their game time is fun.

For some people, group accomplishments and the planning, setup, and the entire process of cultivating a group of like-minded individuals committed to a goal is fun.

For some people, raiding with scrubs who show up or don't based on the direction the wind is blowing, who may or may not drop after they get or don't get the item they're raiding for isn't fun.

The sooner you learn to accept that people like playing with like-minded people, the better off you'll be.

 

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Gutter,


You admit to being in Pally's situation many times before, I don't think during that time you didn't think of those MMO's as any more then a game, yet you still expirienced frustration and stress.


See when you tell people, "It's just a game get over it." It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Anything that you do for liesure you still invest a certain amount of time into. I don't know about you but any time any of my time is wasted, even liesure time, that frustrates me.


I think most of us know that WoW is just a game and has no impact on our real daily lives. That doesn't mean a dungeon wipe won't frustrate you, or someone ninja'ing a need role, ect ect ect.


Gutter I'm actually similar to you in the sense that I am very good at compartmentalizing, I rarely get frustrated over anything at all, game or not, when something happends I re-analyze the situation and move on. Not everyone is like that though, and it is perfectly normal to get frustrated even when just playing a game.


It actually works both ways. Those who invest more into the game then others, are more frustrated or diapointed when things don't go right, however they also get more fulfillment from ingame achievments. That counts for something, we are all playing this game for enjoyment, if you don't ever get mad at something ingame, it is hard to imagine you ever getting that happy either..

 

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And yes, "fun" means different things to different people.


And WoW is diverse enough to accomodate those.


I am happy with what works for me, and accept what works for others.

 

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Pally,

Just another post to say "yes it sucks, but you're not alone". I get frustrated with folks for the same general reason.

They all say "oh I want to raid, let's raid as a guild, let's do organized PvP omg fun!", but when it comes down to it those things can't be done on the fly. They have to be scheduled. That's where my frustration starts. They all want it, so I schedule it. Then it's no shows, people who say they'll show but don't etc. Then the ones who do show are frustrated, and for some reason this is my responsibility to correct.

It makes me want to pull my hair out frequently.

--Sly

 

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Lol that reminds me of something that happend in a PuG last night. I was in Strat and that trinket dropped that makes near by players dance...


One party member asked, "Can I need on that?"


I asked, "Why would you need that."


He responded, "..I don't know. Because I throw a lot of parties?"


lol, I said, "Fair enough." And I passed on the item.

 

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Really? wtf is this?

"...is an example of the difference between "progression" minded guilds and "casual" guilds. For those of you who think like Gutter, the story is an example of why the "elite" guilds don't want your casual asses."

Your memory is lapsing dood, this is like only an hour old, and already you forgot?





Cawlin, I fully understand that people like you only play the game to chase the carrot, and obtain pixels. I fully understand that you could give a rats ass about the actual people in your guild, so long as they show up on raid night. I fully understand that you, and everyone like you, is only in it for YOU.

That I refuse to ever join one of the corporations is my choice, just like your chasing the carrot and playing "wow is a business to me" is yours. You talk about courtesy, and then list raid times like a job schedule. It isn't courteous to show up for work, its just work...and I will never turn a hobby into work again.





Really? You honestly posted this? Excuse me while I laugh my arse off at how pathetic it is...





You are correct. I can see how selfish asshats could feed off of each other, and how you would fit right in with a large group of them. More power to yah

 

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Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Keep that postcount rolling





Is English your first language?

 

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Syrus, I have not experienced one second of stress since starting WOW. Not one iota.

Wasting "waste-able" time is not frustrating to me. It is what the entire game is..fun time.

I never said I dont put time in. I have 7 80's, 6 of which are right at or above 6k gs in PVE gear, + full pvp armor. You see, rather than stand around cussing at the "scrub" guildmate that couldnt make the raid, I am out actually doing something. I get plenty of fulfillment from my playtime, without the stress.

While the raiders are theorycrafting, and stroking each others e-peens at the town mailbox, I'm going 1 vs 4 somewhere in the world, or running randoms, or logging out, because I have other things to do.

Bottom line is, I do what I want, when I want, how I want, and have a total blast in the process.

 

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For the record, I think it is completely understandable to be upset when people don't show up for things they have committed to. That being said, Cawlin's quote was "For
those of you who don't understand, Pally's story is an example of the
difference between "progression" minded guilds and "casual" guilds. For
those of you who think like Gutter, the story is an example of why the
"elite" guilds don't want your casual asses."

Nothing funnier than someone talking down to others in a condescending manner based on his own (perceived) superiority..... in a video game.

And ON topic- that sucks, Pally. I am a firm believer in doing what you say. If you say you will be there, show up. Once is understandable, things happen. But there is no excuse for repeat no-shows just for the hell of it. Game or not, if you say you will do something, DO IT. That's just a matter of character. (Or lack of)

 

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Yeah I get it, it's a game and it is fun. Bottom line though, if your group is approaching the last boss in a dungeon and then some hunter aggro's to separate groups with his pet because he didn't have it on passive and wipes the group, then your tank gets frustrated and leaves so you end up not completing the dungeon, that is frustrating, I don't care who you are. If you deny that then you are trolling.

 

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