If it's about courtesy, how bout showing courtesy and understanding to the people who couldn't make it.

It is December you know. People do have things that come up....

Comcast has been going down sporadically all over the US in the past few weeks....


Nope. Cawlin doesn't consider ANY of that. You signed up, you better be there, and eff your family, real life, and friends, and/or shoddy ISP.. He wants his purples!!!!


Go ahead Cawlin, keep trying to say its about courtesy, and I will keep calling you a flat out liar.


Its a friggin' GAME Cawlin. Your reaction shows that you take it wayyy too serious, as most "elitist asshats" do.

/chuckle

(and I knew the "successful pug" part would chap your arse...thanks for proving me right, yet again!)

 

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On a regular basis, if people are no shows (in game or real life) I think most people are going to re-evaluate that relationship.


In a guild, you aren't necessarily friends, like minded people who respect each other and each other's time.


The flip side, or one of them, is that the no shows didn't ask PallyDog to make sacrifices really, they might say, don't do it unless you want to do it. Don't act like you are doing it for me.


But mostly just common courtesy I think. And some people are probably oblivious, they say sure I"ll be there and just space it out, they might not realize how rude they are being. But I imagine most know, on some level.

 

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(I was assuming PallyDog was talking about people that say that will show up and just blow it off, not, stuff happens, but I guess PallyDog can clarify that - greatly changes the issue of course.)

 

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I digress..

I sign up on Monday, to tank a raid on Friday.

Any number of things can happen Firday afternoon...kid starts puking, car wrecks, internet outages...smoke from the PC...whatever..


I don't make the raid...


Now, I am undoubtedly labeled a complete and utter BASTARD until I login Saturday and explain why I wasn't there...This is the first reaction. You know it is true. Why?

Because you want your shiny purples, and people not showing up wrecks your pixel acquisition.

It isn't about friendship, or courtesy, it's all about the shinies, and me me me me.

There are very few "guilds" in WoW. The rest that steal the label are just "item gathering corporations", and nothing more.


Progression Guild? Wouldn't touch one with a 256MByte Pole.


Oh, and again..

ITS A GAME!!!! You know, meant for FUN. NOT meant to be turned into a weekly JOB!!!

Sheesh people wake the hell up.

No part of this is worth one ounce of stress, period.

 

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The hardest part of mmos is finding people who are like minded. If you are older and *gifted* the time to play a lot you'll only run across kids with the same amount of time, who a generally bratty crappy people because their play time isn't being monitored by their parents. If you do find people your age with the same amount of play time they can be very impatient and opinionated people which make them generally hard to work with as they are just as driven as you and they may not have like minded goals.

It sounds like you got a bunch of casual gamers that are the a-typical A.D.D. gamers that generally suck and are playing for achievements for random alts that they really don't have the time for in the first place and they are ruining your gaming time. I, personally am causal, not A.D.D. usually but I simply don't have the time to do all those achievements. I tend to stay away from raids that can't be done in a fix period of time or I know will be a constant die/release/retry scenario. Some people are belligerent and don't really care if they lock you out, when you all fail to complete the achievement, they log and don't think twice that they just screwed your raid lock.

I'd highly recommend you find a better suited guild. If you need to reroll, do it. Start fresh or Copy to another realm.

If you are going to go to a completely foreign realm to "start new" I will tell you, you'll find the same people there.

However, get a slight advantage out of it One thing that reinvigorated the game for me was moving to a server closer to me physically. I live in Tucson AZ and they moved their seattle datacenter to pheonix. I went from a constant 270ms ping at the dallas datacenter to a 50ms ping at the pheonix datacenter by going to a new server.

I can't tell you how much of a difference you'll see with 1/5th of a second less latency makes the game feel, especially in pvp.

http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter

Find a server type in the list of servers at the datacenters closest to you and find the one with the least amount of latency.

 

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I always liked this one.

Basically, this is the problem with MMOs when you don't have infinite time to devote to administration. It's also a result of the anonymity that has plagued WoW since day 1 and gotten worse with server transfers and race/name changes. I think that the guild leveling system was a step in the right direction, but like many other WoW systems, it's a band-aid solution that doesn't solve the underlying problem.

It's also unfortunately rare to find a guild that runs smoothly because there's very little incentive for people to act rationally and help others beyond in WoW. As I've said before, if you want to make a statement to Blizzard, cancel your subscription and speak with $$. As part of that solution, taking a break and reflecting upon the good experiences can help too. There's really no reason to get angry at WoW players, the game or Blizzard. It's not a very productive use of time.

edit: The only good guild that I've ever been in was one that raided 2 nights a week for 4-5 hour stretches. We used a strict negative DKP system for rewards. We also had very active guild forums where people were theory-crafting most of the week so that we got more accomplished in 8-10 hours a week than 90% of the other guilds on our server. It also helped that most members had one main and one alt that they played actively. I think the highly structured environment and focused members contributed to the success of the group because it eliminated as much of the uncertainty in end-game progression and rewards as possible, which is what can really kill a guild.

In any event, take a deep breath, remember the good and enjoy the break from WoW. It's very refreshing when you get burnt out.

 

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For me this game with out a good guild, a guild full of like minded people with similar values it really isn't worth playing. I quickly realized this when I started the game on any old server, even the real life people I started with quickly became unreliable.


I stopped playing that character and petitioned to a guild that I knew would be good, it's all I cared about, switched from horde to alliance, made a brand new character.


When I started, guild was first. Faction second, then came race and class. If I wasn't able to find this guild I think my WoW come back would have been short lived.


I'm old school when it comes to MMO's, to me community is the most important aspect, and if you don't have that in your guid, then you don't have it in WoW.

 

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Pally, I am so sorry that the situation is that frustrating. Must feel awful depending on people and not being able to count on them, especially after helping so much.


Gutter, I agree, that WoW fosters using other people, particularly guildmates in a "me-first" way. A lot of the guilds are formed purely on that premise. I would not put Pally in that group.


Everyone who was talking about common courtesy got it right.


Gutter, I also agree that things can just happen and it is so easy particularly in WoW to think the worst first! I've seen it happen in general/trade chat all the time and have fallen victim to this attitude myself in game more times than I am comfortable admitting. The game just fosters that.


Syrus, I agree, and have said for years out here, the only real community in WoW is the guild.


For me, if I was in the same situation, I would be upset as well. Guildmates are the ones who have your back. You cover theirs, they cover yours and you are all THERE for each other. You can depend on each other. When that isn't happening, what is the point?


And in Pally's post, if it wasn't a case of real life happening, and they just didn't bother.... well... yeah, an all-out head-banging frustration!


No advice (for once) Pally, other than a break to get yourself put back together. Just recognition of the awful feeling from your situation and hope things get better for you SOON!

 

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I fully understand where Pally is coming from, and my last few posts are directed mainly at Cawlin.


You see, I swore after being the person, like Pally, in other MMO's before WOW that I was completely done with that playstyle. Cawlin calls me antisocial for it, and says i am "incapable" of associateng with other players, but that is simply not the truth. He "thinks" he knows me, but he honestly has no clue.

The truth is, after being in Pally's shoes no less than a hundred times in the past, being the one to put in all the effort, all the time, just to receive all the STRESS...i said to hell with it, and never again.


And you know what? I have a tee total blast playing WOW. Stress free. Hassle free. Schedule free.

Every time I zone into a city, and just watch /2, or read about things like this here, I know for me, I made the perfect choice with this game.


If it isn't fun, don't friggin do it, Period.

Life is too short to stress for one second about a hobby that is supposed to be FUN.

 

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Ah, Gutter, that wasn't an attack at you ( I don't think you took it that way. ) Thanks for explaining where you're at and why.


I can understand how you'd get there. It IS a hobby, go play for fun.


Love my guild. Don't know what I would do without them. Sometimes, though, I just need some space. At different points, all of us in our guild do, and we happily allow it, without demands.


(edit: "allow" doesn't mean getting permission, it means accepting reality.)

 

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