Yeah a good tank will dip the boss into the pillar quickly enough that it will only do one 800-dmg AOE, the dps health pools are then irrelevant.


But hey, give tanks time to learn the encounter, it's a bit soon to go calling ppl names.

LIES!!!!!!!!


this is only true for some classes and specs. My main's Class/Spec is Druid/Balance. this is a class that has no need of mastery. in fact... according to elitist jerks mastery is probably the least useful skill i could get the only things worse for me are str/agi which give me no benefit.


Right now i just hit level 84 and i'm only now really replacing gear(it started at 83). I had an item level of 271 before Cata so all my gear was 264/277(heroic ilvl i think) and what it came down to was all the greens/blues that were level 80-82 seemed to be on par or slightly better than what i had.. only missing sockets... so no point in using an item that has 20 more intelect and alittle more spirit than what i had when it's 2 sockets short because i could make up those stats and more with the 2 sockets in my ICC/RS gear.


anyways... my real point is that mastery isn't all that great. It's probably the single most imbalanced stat in the game. My frost DK LOVES mastery.. i mean LLLOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS it.. it's the most amazing thing ever.... unfortunately.. half the classes/spec mastery is fairly useless while the other half it seems it's quite overpowered.


as a boomkin why take mastery for a slight increase in damage when i've got a proc but does nothing for me when i don't have a proc...i guess the question is... right now i get about a 40% damage bonus with how much mastery i currently have.. only this is when i have eclipse procced.. meaning it's only effecting 25% or less of my spells being cast... logic kind of dictates that something like haste or crit that effects all my spellcasts are better... and according to elitist jerks they are... which is quite disappointing.. other classes essentially get just scaling overall dps bumps. frost DK's are one example, each mage spec seems to be this way too (if i'm not mistaken mastery for a mage gives you a % damage increase for spells of your tree so fire gets more fire damage, etc. etc.) some classes end up more a wash where it's good but not really better than other stats then some are like me where mastery is at the bottom of the priority list.


in fact... reforging of mastery to other stats won't be a problem for me it'll be happening.

 

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Well maybe asking that questing greens replace top tier Northrend Epics was a little too much however I suggest running some instances and getting blues.


I've ran quite a few guild runs already and I see my guildies who have raided for some time now replacing many pieces.


I on the other hand am a fresh 80 and had the pleasure of going through the first two instances even before I compelted my first Cata quest. I was in 80 quest greens, lol. Healing it was a challenge but it did help that the guildies I was raiding with did have raiding epics.


We made it through 5 guild runs now, my item level raised from 176 to 223 with in th first 3 runs lol. As mentioned as well, that item level with also prevent you from queuing for dungeons.

 

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sarnsereg, I find it funny you yell out "lies" then turn around and say it's true for some classes. Every post I read of yours you think your opinion is fact.

 

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Dear 81-83 tanks doing instances, I know you have awesome secondary stats in your ICC gear, and I know it pains you to give up some of that for new gear with big primaries but less shiny secondaries and this questionable mastery gimmick, but please, please, consider upgrading some of it. When your 49k having butt, no matter how well hasted and avoidy, runs blindly up the steps in a starrape pack in vortex pinnacle, it doesn't give me a lot of time to heal you when you could have twice the health pool. =)

 

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Lol yes this. Even in Throne of Tides, those little goblin groups all throw that poison spear as their first attack, tanks are almost getting one hit there have to nature swiftness more often then not.

 

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Healing as a Holy pali I have sure as hell notice the difference in pugs between those holding to old gear and those in new gear. The old gear guys are almost down to death by the time my first holy light goes off, and the new gear guys are around 50%

I don't really agree. If you take diminishing returns into account and do instances, the potential is there so you can replace everything.

 

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My problem is getting tank stuff to drop =\

 

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I saw two problems with the post itself.

1. Using GS
2. Suggesting that people would equip worse gear because the new gear has a higher iLevel

Also, as I understand the gear in Cataclysm, ICC 25 normal gear gets replaced at the beginning of Stonecore and ICC 25 heroic gets replaced around level 84 to the normal level 85 instances ... which seems reasonable.

 

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