Whiny little babies will whine no matter what. You what I saw the other day that nearly made me swallow my tongue laughing? Someone was crying about the WoW "B team" and claiming that one of the causes of its current failure (remember, fastest selling PC title ever = failure) was that Jeff Kaplan has moved on to Blizzard's new secret project. Jeff Kaplan! The producer who elicited more whining from the whiny little forum babies than any game developer I've ever seen! Mark my words, in two years time, WoW expansion #4 will break even more records, and people will be whining about how horrible the game has been ever since Ghostcrawler moved on and some new guy took over.

 

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You know, after I read your response, I decided to reread all the posts.


Farming Noxious Whelps for the Whelpling and all . . . 2000+ kills and no drop. . . .


Anyway, are we actually discussing this guy's personality or his inability to be aparty to a successful MMO?


Either way, I must admit, how anyone can say the game is a failure or that the guy isn't doing something right is just silly.


Again, who cares about his lack of protocol or pedigree.


Respawns are back up.

 

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But is he the cause of it? As your link proves, WoW was quite fantastically successful before he arrived. Oddly enough, after he did, growth came nearly to a standstill and the only real growth came as new markets opened. Now, I am not necessarily saying that that is because of Ghostcrawler... but it is EXACTLY the same argument as those who are pushing subscription numbers, just in reverse. So, either their argument is valid... and therefore that one is too, or it was invalid to start with. You cannot have it both ways.





You haven't offered anything of the sort. Demonstrate how WoW's subscription numbers are a factor of Ghostcrawler and not elements that came before him. That is the standard you must meet to support Tai-Daishar's foolish claim.

You made it harder on yourself by posting the subscription graph, though, since now you have to also find an excuse for WoW not growing after he was hired.







I'm sorry, was I supposed to infer things not in evidence? Welcome to the internet. You are what you post.

 

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Your opinion makes zero sense.


You are seriously saying that Ghostcrawler causes sales for World of Warcraft to stall or halt because of his . . . personality? Could it be because there's a limited amount of people who own computers and play MMOs? Maybe, when you reach the ceiling, you cannot go higher and/or growth stalls? The graph shows a continuous climb until China began to deny access to their area in WoW East. How is Ghostcrawler to be blamed for that?


At this point, I honestly believe if I offered proof that water was wet and the sky was blue, you'd argue against it because you simply cannot and will not deviate from your opinion even if proven in error.


The scientific method is established as with the proof I offer. It is not my job to continue to back it up while you nitpick. If you wish to challenge my hypothesis, you must offer your proof that contradicts that in evidence.


Again, I don't believe anyone is saying Ghostcrawler is the de facto reason for World of Warcraft's success. But, he is part of the team in its continued success.


That much is common sense.

 

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The thread ends here. What the doom trolls say here doesn't matter in the big scheme of things, but their reactions are always entertaining, so ridiculous and funny they are.

 

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Yes, that about sums it up.

 

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I like Ghostcrawler.... can we discuss this?

 

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Er... no? Can you point to me where I said anything about his personality?





For all intents and purposes it stalls at 2009 and stays right around the same population, even dropping a little.





You haven't offered any proof, Ardenwolfe. All you've done is posted a population graph and then assumed that Ghostcrawler is the cause of it. You apparently didn't even bother looking closely enough at it to note it doesn't climb much at all after he was hired.

Let me use your own "proof". Right around the WoW subscription increase ended, BARACK OBAMA was inaugurated president! And it hasn't grown since! Clearly, this is the fault of Obama. The graph is proof!

You have to tie the causation to the correlation, Ardenwolfe, or you are yet another one of those numerous people who, like Tai-Daishar, can't tell the difference. Otherwise your "scientific method" is a pile of bunk. You would know this if you really understood it.





If you must resort to "it's just common sense" as your proof, then you are on weak ground indeed. Why is Ghostcrawler a "part" of its success when it was growing before he arrived and stopped growing afterwards? What is he doing that is so great?

Be specific, or admit you cannot separate Ghostcrawler's contributions from other potential factors, as Tai-Daishar has implicitly done by his own refusal.

 

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The decline in numbers could also be due to the recession as far as we could know. After all, entertainment goes first before food. I find that more likely than any influence Ghostcrawler has in a negative sense to the game.


Again, common sense, but I digress.


Let's put a pin in this discussion and allow your theory to gain time. If, in fact, World of Warcraft goes south due to Ghostcrawler's influence and/or choices, I will necro this thread to state you were in fact correct.


Two years until the next expansion, right?


If not, you can also bet I will also necro this thread to tell you didn't tap dance as well as you thought.

 

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Lol, anything to prove a non existant point. Next the gas prices will be responsible. Then the banning of 4 loco.

I am constantly amazed that people attempt to argue points here, no one will ever change their opinion, so why bother?

Oh right, attention and the belief that we are special.

It is all a matter of perspective, if you pay attenion and see what changes are made, talked about, recanted, re-talked about, completely reversed point of views...all by GC himself, if you truly look at the crap he posts, has posted, proposed, reneged on said proposals...

You can see how bad he is...but with a perspective skewed towards seeing what you want to see, you won't see it.

 

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