Four runs, different groups each time. Not a single wipe, three deaths total. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about as far as challenge. If you think this dungeon is difficult, you should change your name to Larry O'Leary


EDIT: I'm sure I'm stating the obvious, but none of the deaths were mine.

 

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I am not sure what the fuss is about either, honestly. The dungeons are all extremely easy, especially once you figure out the "gimick" or trick to each trash pull/boss. Matter of fact, they are actually more boring than WOTLK dungeons in my opinion because they are FAR longer in duration and take longer to complete.

The folks that are fussing legitimately though are usually talking about the characters being gimped to artificially make the dungeons SEEM harder. I am in this group. I hate the new healing model because it didn't institute a challenge, it just made healing boring, irritating, and feel weak. DPS have the same issues because of ridiculous scaling on the way to 85.

Matter of fact, all the scrub bads claiming that the new dungeons are "challenging" and fun are the real bads/scrubs/WOTLK babies. They were the ones spamming one spell over and over again being powered through raids by better players screaming about how "boring" it was. They love the new healing model especially since it is just the same as WOTLK, for them, in that they get to spam one key over and over again.

 

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Arc, was this on heroic mode? I think that's where most of the concern stems from, though I haven't done heroic yet myself.

Negative, regular.

 

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There was never any fuss about the regular dungeons. The regular dungeons are ezmode next to the hcs. Ofcourse a lot depends on who you group with, and if people know the tacts. But the hcs are very unforgiving about you making mistakes.


For example, in regular Grim Batol I could stand in boss aoe and not die. Try the same in hc and you are dead and will probably drag your group down with you.


I pug hc and in the first week I had many groups fall apart on the first boss. A group that finishes a hc can easily spend 2 hours + in there.


If you run with a solid guild group, you could ofcourse pretty fast put the hcs on farm. But pug them at your own peril.

Yeah my guild is wicked small, so I pug a ton.

 

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The difference in damage taken between normal and heroic is pretty big. Example, first boss in Grim Batol I can just grab all of the adds (troggs) when they come and continue on tanking. On heroic, if the purple trogg is anywhere even remotely close to me when he blows up it's game over. Now imagine trying to get a LFD dps to kite and kill the trogg away from the tank...


On a difficulty level, I would agree that the new dungeons are all easy once you learn the gimmick and how to avoid the avoidable damage (which there is a lot of in cata dungeons). However, unless you're running with a dedicated group, it is damn near borderline impossible to find pugs (i.e. dungeon finder groups) with people who know how to avoid all of the avoidable splash damage. So if you run in a group where people don't stand in stuff, avoid dumb damage, and interrupt the boss abilities that MUST be interrupted, then yes it is very easy. Anyone who pugs a lot is going to have a hard time finding this on a regular basis.

 

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Unless that one person, me, is fairly awesome and makes up for the other two idiot dps. But I see your point.

 

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And additionally, all of the scaling factors that have caused people to complain only come into play as you progress from 80 to 85. Nobody ever even hinted that the level 80-81 normal mode instances were overly difficult.

 

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Normals - very very forgiving. I do not see them as an issue.

Heroics, once you have a "smart" group and can adapt, they are also not that bad.Some of the packs and bosses have their "strat". I am pugging every night for the last 10 days or so and the groups (upto now) have been mostly very good. however I do think those who were first in the heroics are typically the more savvy. In the last days, I have seen more people who are (how should I say)....."less adaptable".

No matter, if you explain the strat good enough and walk them through, it does work (mostly)....or failing that let em die and the rest of the group can finish

As to the CC aspect, I already see that we are doing LESS CC now than in the first days, as tank hps are increasing, it is reverting back (slightly) to AE with a target priority, rather than CC everything.