Myself and all my friends (our guild of about 8 actives) have yet to be able to try once, despite being the #1 reason most of us returned. Next week when its 10 again we are gonna try with some pugs and cross our fingers.

 

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thats why i don't like bgs - i want to reap the rewards of what i do. if i kill someone i don't want to share points with the naked guy running around yelling stuff. if i cap or defend the flag i don't want the afker at the graveyard to share the spoils with me.


for me, who has played previous pvp mmos like daoc, its really twisted that WoW rewards are all about time spent and not on your performance. i suppose rated bgs are a step to mitigate that, however i do not have the time to do any sort of organized event like that. i can't devote hours a week at a specific time to group with these people...i like to log on and off on a whim.


i could do that in daoc.

Solo PvPers DO get rewards. These rewards are one tier lower than the rewards you get for forming an organized team and competing against organized opposition. Just as the rewards you get for queueing for a PUG in the dungeonfinder are one tier lower than the rewards you get for forming an organized team and beating raid content.

Got a problem with that? If so, the problem is your sense of entitlement, not the game design. Your problem is not that you don't get rewards - since, as has been demonstrated, you do - it's the fact that someone else, making a greater effort, against a more difficult task, gets something better. Your problem is your own jealousy, not Blizzard's design.

 

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well i can't speak for him but i think the problem is many people (including myself) don't consider it more difficult to do things like rated bgs or arenas compared to other types of pvp. thats why many people laughed when blizzard called arena an e-sport. it does take effort in that you have to spend more hours organizing teams and such tho of course. its more of a mundane effort though in my eyes.


anyways i know that there will always be different tiers of rewards in a mmo like WoW...gotta have different levels of treadmills for people to walk to consume more time and keep them playing. would be nice if there were a few solo gear rewards that were comparable to the team ones tho, especially considering that solo play is a huge part of the game even for those that do the team stuff also.

For me this just falls into the same category as raiding - if I had a group of friends large enough who I enjoyed spending time with, who had the same schedule as me, and who were of roughly the same skill level, then I would probably enjoy this greatly...

But as it is, I would definitely have to join a bunch of strangers, and I just can't imagine the experience being a good one.

 

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Pretty much this. Raid content in this game has never been hard. Back in vanilla WOW I was doing it daily. Spending hours on hours in Molten Core and BWL with 39 other people. Doing the same boring predictable battles again and again. They were never hard. The only thing that ever made them hard was the fact that good players have to carry the bad players. After completing a full tier 1 and tier 2 set, I decided it was not worth my time.

I come from times past when my skill in small groups and solo play paid off. People think just because they got a group together they are somehow better than the rest of us. So I think in a way this whole entitlement crap people throw in my face works both ways.

I still fail to see why everyone blows up when the casuals players want the same stuff yet, are willing to work much longer to gain it.. While being perfectly fine with the raiders getting quick access to it.

Polls like this greatly reflect the overall attitude toward Rated Arena and Rated BG play.


EDIT BOMB!

 

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I still find it hilarious that pillar humping and afk'ing BG's give better rewards than world PVP.

Stormie, it isn't about entitlement. It isn't about jealousy. It is all about the truth of the matter.

 

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I agree with Jyiiga's comments and playstyle. Just because you want to pvp alone doesn't automatically me you are fail for the entire time.

To be honest, most of the time my team "tends to kill me". From an arrogant and personal perspective: Buddies lead fire upon me, I try to save them and I get killed, I see them coming as backup but as soon they see +1 enemy, they turn around.
The list goes on and when you've played Daoc, WoW and other games, you learn to make your personal Murphy's Laws.

Nevertheless, Blizzard has always said something about "giving players the freedom for their playstyle" yet they break it in the end after all.


There are tons of ways afking could be have been fixed, starting with the fact about players posting creative/effective/plausible suggestions on the official boards but it is likely Blizz didn't really see it due to everybody giving their opinion.

It's pretty much like that scene in Bruce Allmighty when Jim Carrey was reading the wishes of the prayers. Can't fulfill them all.


edit:
There's something funny about Arena that I must admit - Something that is somewhat hillarious and macabre.

I agree that the Arena = Esport crap really is something I wish I could kick Blizz in the nuts for; Especially for arranging nerfs and fixes solely by watching Arena play. That was bullcrap.

However, I remember in Daoc when people were all fancy about duelling and when lvl50 PVP in ToA slowly got out of hand, I remember wishing for a "Group duelling" system.
Apparently, my wish was heard by the game gods and came true as the abomination of Arena.

Damn, hehe.

 

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Three weeks of rated BGs and you get a free epic weapon. Next week will be my third week. I'll have enough conquest points for 2H axe and thrown. I will go from my current 3009 resilience to 3309 resilience.

 

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