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--Syrus--  Posts: 536
Registered: 2003-12-2 15:51:47
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Eternal_Midnight posted:
--Syrus-- posted:
Because we are not assuming that 11 million pay $12.99. Subscription rates and methods of payment are much different outside canada and the US.
Subscribers = number of people playing
Not number of people paying a monthly subscription of 12.99 a month.
Indeed. The rate for 1 month is $14.99. For 6 months is drops to $12.99. I'm fairly certain that at least a majority of their subscribers go month to month, but I was giving you and your team the benefit of the doubt. I also reduced the # of subscribers, since the press release you both so handily referred us to is Oct 7, 2010, shortly after these three months in question.
If it was 12 million people paying $14.99 a month they you are even more wrong.
You're missing the point. You're fairly certain that the majority of subscribers pay month to at a rate of 12.99 USD? Re-check that fact and get back to us. You come here assuming all these things and you're so far of base.
Come back when you know what the average subscriber in China pays.
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Fedup23  Posts: 358
Registered: 2006-7-14 06:15:32
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Eternal_Midnight posted:
Fine.
Here's Blizzard's most recent financial statement: http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-10-56564
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you know how to read that.
You tell me how the math works out that they can only have subscription, licensing, and other revenues of $348 million if we assume 11 million people paying an average $12.99 a month for 3 months.
If what you are saying is true, then they earned AT LEAST $428 million from WoW alone, and they misreported it here in this document. They also clearly didn't have any other sources of monthly income other than WoW (I'm not sure if they do or not, but I would assume they do.)
Or you are wrong, and I'm right.
I think in Asia there is a different type of billing system in place for internet cafe time and all of that, I think they pay 6 cents a minute instead of a monthly fee. You have 6 million people that dont buy the box.. yet "subscribe" to the game in China. Im not arguing anything posted above, just clearing up some of the subscription # vs monthly income discrepancies.
Edit. Link to some info. http://seekingalpha.com/article/193148-blizzard-s-world-of-warcraft-the-china-growth-story
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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Cataclysm One-Month Sales Top 4.7 Million |
The_Korrigan posted:
The problem is that YOU don't know how to read that.
I'm sure I'm wasting my time arguing with you, since you clearly have nothing else to offer, but whatever...
On page 5 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD, INC. AND SUBSIDIARIES CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF OPERATIONS) for the 3 months ended September 30, 2010 (note here that this is a quarterly report, not a monthly report) under Net revenues, Subscription, licensing, and other revenues $348 (reported in millions)
Please entertain me now with your reply.
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Date Posted:
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Cataclysm One-Month Sales Top 4.7 Million |
Eternal_Midnight posted:
Fine.
Here's Blizzard's most recent financial statement: http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-10-56564
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you know how to read that.
You tell me how the math works out that they can only have subscription, licensing, and other revenues of $348 million if we assume 11 million people paying an average $12.99 a month for 3 months.
If what you are saying is true, then they earned AT LEAST $428 million from WoW alone, and they misreported it here in this document. They also clearly didn't have any other sources of monthly income other than WoW (I'm not sure if they do or not, but I would assume they do.)
Or you are wrong, and I'm right.
Your problem is not your math, your problem is knowing the difference between Net revenue, and Gross revenue.
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Azure-TheBlueOne Title: Made in Alaska
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Registered: 2003-2-24 19:25:37
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Cataclysm One-Month Sales Top 4.7 Million |
GutterSludge posted:
Korrigan, I am not saying anything, I am just reflecting on the current data.
39% is crap. Period.
So if it's crap, then I'm assuming you know of games with much better initial month expansion sales stats?
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Date Posted:
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Cataclysm One-Month Sales Top 4.7 Million |
No, but seriously...
I just have a hard time believing that Blizz designed an expansion, and the "best" they hoped for was 39% sales to their current customers.
Did they expect 100%? doubtful. Will they make money at 39%? Sure.
Did they set the initial bar higher than 39% as a target? Of Course.
Will they reach it?
Time will tell.
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--Syrus-- Posts: 536
Registered: 2003-12-2 15:51:47
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Cataclysm One-Month Sales Top 4.7 Million |
Azure-TheBlueOne posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Korrigan, I am not saying anything, I am just reflecting on the current data.
39% is crap. Period.
So if it's crap, then I'm assuming you know of games with much better initial month expansion sales stats?
Stats as in a percentage of players to buy the expansion? I don't have any off hand but it could be interesting to find some.
What percentage of players that bought Mass Effect, bought Mass Effect 2?
What percentage of players that bought Assasins Creed 2 bought number 3?
Blizzard wins for number of boxes sold to be sure, but it the % of their player base continuing with the franchise? *shrug*
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Talehon69 Title: Anonymous Entity
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Registered: 2002-12-11 10:09:58
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:01am
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China just got WotLk like 5 months ago, pretty sure Cataclysm isn't out there yet.
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Azure-TheBlueOne Title: Made in Alaska
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Registered: 2003-2-24 19:25:37
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Gutter, it seems like you're completely discounting that they apparently beat out both of their previous expansion's records. I'm sure doing better in sales faster than they previously did was about where they put the bar, and it looks like they met (and are exceeding) exactly that.
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions on just a couple data points, and discounting previous sales data for this game and others, just to jump to the (imo) very illogical and erroneous judgment you're arriving at.
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Date Posted:
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Talehon69 posted:
China just got WotLk like 5 months ago, pretty sure Cataclysm isn't out there yet.
another that did not read the OP.
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