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LadyGodiva.  1 star
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Registered: 2008-11-8 19:05:36
The_Korrigan posted:

Oh yes, just like those guys who watch sport on TV, comfortably installed in their couch, working on increasing the diameter of their "beer belly" while pretending they can do better than the professionals on the screen...



Even in this case sometimes the fat slob is right. Professionals aren't perfect, and sometimes their ego is bigger than their talent.
-Peo-  2 stars
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Registered: 2005-2-2 08:38:42
Isoke posted:

I guess I'm in a minority. I like GC and wish he still posted regularly on the boards. And I am saying this as someone who is not happy with the current state of the game. But that has nothing to do with whether or not I want to see GC continue to post.

He's arrogant. He's not always right. Gods know I don't always agree with him. But I appreciated his straightforwardness and his willingness to get into detailed discussions with players. He's clearly got really strong development skills and a wealth of experience (EVEN IF we don't like the way he applies them), and he clearly likes talking about development issues. It was a really refreshing change from the watered-down and generic content of most 'official' dev posts.

Ah, well. Back to 'vetted' and bland posts that (to me) seem far more patronizing toward players than GC ever was. Blogs. lol.

Honestly, I don't think the player base is actually willing or able to handle genuine debate over development questions.



This just means you haven't followed his posts.

He is bad, he is wrong and he is a hypocrite. He does not have one redeeming quality. Your ignorance is not the same as him being a decent Dev. If they didn't wipe the old forums, I could prove it to you. He has continually bashed players for anecdotal evidence, then quoted his own anecdotal evidence as being acceptable. He has flip flopped on almost every issue he has ever spoken on, and further more, the fact that they are reducing his posting PROVES all of the above. The guy just makes an ass out of himself every chance he gets and they need to control the feedback so they can put a positive spin on all aspects of the game. Don't believe me? Post a complaint about the game, see how fast it is removed and how quickly you are banned for 72 hrs. Been there done that. When I complained about how every class is less fun than it was in WotLK, the post got instantly removed and I was banned for 72 hours for "trolling". He is unequivocally the worst thing to happen to WoW. Even Kaplan was better, at least Kaplan was consistent. The only thing WOW has improved on, is how to spin the garbage they produce into an amazing feat of Development. I mean, rehashing old content and using old models for everything is hard work. But there is nothing else to play, the game is fun in spite of the Devs older development still makes the game fun. It is just getting harder and harder to enjoy the game. Constant changes destabilize the game, it is obvious the Dev team has completely lost control of character development and they are out of ideas how to fix, so they continue to try and change things and hope to get lucky. I am not hopeful, not at all.

 

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Sprawl-zero1eye-  4 stars
Title: IGN Vault Staff
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Registered: 2002-6-28 03:39:29
Isoke posted:

I guess I'm in a minority. I like GC and wish he still posted regularly on the boards. And I am saying this as someone who is not happy with the current state of the game. But that has nothing to do with whether or not I want to see GC continue to post.

He's arrogant. He's not always right. Gods know I don't always agree with him. But I appreciated his straightforwardness and his willingness to get into detailed discussions with players. He's clearly got really strong development skills and a wealth of experience (EVEN IF we don't like the way he applies them), and he clearly likes talking about development issues. It was a really refreshing change from the watered-down and generic content of most 'official' dev posts.

Ah, well. Back to 'vetted' and bland posts that (to me) seem far more patronizing toward players than GC ever was. Blogs. lol.

Honestly, I don't think the player base is actually willing or able to handle genuine debate over development questions.


Yep. I liked the information, but the problem is, there is a reason PR exists. The public can't handle this, and will often twist words to suit their needs. I am no different, I suppose.

 

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Ugh_Lancelot  3 stars
Title: Ooo...bouncy!
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Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
Isoke posted:

Honestly, I don't think the player base is actually willing or able to handle genuine debate over development questions.

The thing is, when people would engage in "genuine debate" and post a huge thread with detailed logs, math and proofs of a bug or imbalance that the player(s) found, he would completely pooh-pooh it and say something like "well, it's more than just math going into that decision" and other vapid rebuttals. I'm kinda surprised people find his "lol you have no clue why we did this and we're not changing it, period" answers somehow refreshing.

I'll grant you that after the first few months of GC's denials, many posters just gave up and openly hated him. And while some aspects of his posts might have been refreshing from a candor point of view, I can't see how having a lead dev being publicly candid (i.e.: not having to go through the PR department) with customers is a good thing.

As others have noted, most of his history of being on the "your math and proofs are absolutely correct, but we don't care" side of the arguments is now gone with the torching of the original forums. Probably a good move on their part.

 

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Broken_Kayfabe  1 star
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His candidness would have been great, if he had ever been right or ever acknowledged his mistakes.

Given that they've now admitted they don't even know what numbers are active in their tests (leftovers from abilities that don't even exist anymore still affecting numbers, for example), there is no reason to give them an iota of trust anymore. They're incompetent, and the guy at the top is the worst of the lot.

Pity it takes so long to fall from such a height WoW was at. Any other mmorpg with this kind of developer idiocy would be in Vanguard territory now.

 

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Registered: 2008-5-7 11:52:34
Lol

 

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Ugh_Lancelot  3 stars
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Renegade. posted:

Lol

I agree completely, though I'm intrigued by your logic.

 

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Dums  1 star
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Registered: 2002-10-29 08:17:13
The_Korrigan posted:

Oh yes, just like those guys who watch sport on TV, comfortably installed in their couch, working on increasing the diameter of their "beer belly" while pretending they can do better than the professionals on the screen...



Dude, really?

There's a huge difference between a fat guy who sits on the couch thinking he can run a 4.2 40 and a guy who can sit back and visualize ideas that other people may not have.

Besides, in the gaming world, the only difference between the players and the developers (in a creative sense, anyway) is a paycheck.

 

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Quazimortal  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
Dums posted:

Besides, in the gaming world, the only difference between the players and the developers (in a creative sense, anyway) is a paycheck.



I get what you are trying to say, and I agree to a point, but man you really exaggerated your point with that one didn't you?

 

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The_Korrigan  3 stars
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Registered: 2001-7-17 03:51:32
Dums posted:

Besides, in the gaming world, the only difference between the players and the developers (in a creative sense, anyway) is a paycheck.

If we use that flawed logic, everybody could be a successful writer selling millions of books.
There's a big factor you forget in your picture - talent, or skill. All humans aren't equal when it comes to creativity and also the talent to use that creativity the right way. Otherwise, the world would be populated with "Leonardo da Vinci" and "Mozart" clones.
Same goes for sports - thus my analogy - every moron can run on a field after a ball, but very few have the talent to do it way better than anyone else and be top rated professionals.

 

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