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TruthyID  1 star
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Registered: 2010-7-7 12:52:20
Zero_Washu posted:

It has a feature set that would have been great for a new MMORPG, TEN YEARS AGO.



I played the beta this last weekend and couldn't shake the feeling that I'd played this game before then it finally hit me, this game plays a lot like Tabula Rasa. Maybe it was because I was playing a trooper but the gameplay was eerily similar to the gameplay in Tabula Rasa and even the world, gear, and UI layout were nearly the same. The biggest difference was that ToR is significantly slower and less exciting than Tabula Rasa was.

Tabula Rasa gameplay video for comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuMHH5CxRj0
Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
I hope you understand the implications of saying SW:ToR is worse than Tabula Rasa.

 

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RoamsBlues
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Zero_Washu posted:

If it were not for the voice acting and Star Wars IP SWTOR would be dead on delivery. It has a feature set that would have been great for a new MMORPG, TEN YEARS AGO.

The worst part is their class/talent system which is like taking the worst WOW ever offered and doubling down. Back again with the +1 crap. Worse, I have three trees to do it with. Only three warzones for PvP, slow spawning quest mobs, and you can't start off with a friend unless you both play the same archetype.

The voice acting will save it for a while, but the light/dark choices look like a six year old or Dr. Evil concocted them



Feature set that would have been great for a new MMORPG, TEN YEARS AGO?


Here's a game releasing with
-great graphics
-a deep crafting system that matters
-polished gameplay
-fairly balanced classes
-instanced PvP matches
-open PvP areas
-ffa PvP zone
-objective based open PvP zone
-companion system (which actually works unlike)
-Ships which although not customisable is more than many MMOs can claim
-full VO
-Good story element
-Quest lines with actual choice (sure maybe it's linear if you compare it with say Morrowind... but it's surely the least linear MMO out there ATM aside from perhaps GW... if you consider that an MMO)
-Space combat mini game
-Tons of dungeons and a variable difficulty raid and the promise of more
-The group dialog and social point system is simplistic but tons of fun and that itself is worth noting
-Tons of QoL features already in like area loot, self rez... or just stuff like /walk
-Combat that actually looks good with deflecting moves and deflected projectiles and repelled blows

Does it have as much content as a 7yo MMO? no. Why would you expect that?
(You absolutely can start off with a friend if you want to btw... unless you're of a different faction.)

Does it have flaws? yes... poor character customization and lack of iconic races for sure...

You're fully allowed to find it's not your cup of tea and not like SWTOR but your being disingenuous in your appreciation of the game... if you even have any experience with it.

But honestly if this does not meet the standard for a newly released MMO than you're either a hypocrite or no MMO will ever meet your standard.
Spookysheep  4 stars
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Posts: 1,248
Registered: 2002-1-9 06:49:19
RoamsBlues posted:

Does it have as much content as a 7yo MMO? no. Why would you expect that?
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Did you really just ask those two incredibly stupid questions? Or were you just trying to be funny by portraying obtuse?

 

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Zero_Washu  2 stars
Posts: 290
Registered: 2001-9-28 05:17:03
RoamsBlues posted:

You're fully allowed to find it's not your cup of tea and not like SWTOR but your being disingenuous in your appreciation of the game... if you even have any experience with it.

But honestly if this does not meet the standard for a newly released MMO than you're either a hypocrite or no MMO will ever meet your standard.



Was wondering when I would encounter the rabid fanboi, I just glad he didn't break down and cry, or at least I could not see it. Do they crawl under their SW blankets with the Wookie doll with kung fu grip?

Graphics are merely okay, character models are actually bland unless in a Voice Acting scene, clipping is very bad
I have yet to read one good review of the crafting system.
Polished game play, yeah they got spawn camping down pat.
Balanced classes? You really typed that?
Open PvP is only good until a few weeks into game, then its a cry fest, still only three war zones?
The companion system is actually nice, guess its as close to sex as most SW fans will get
ooh... ships, uh other games call them houses, and in SW I want a tiny ship, not something I can get lost in
What constitutes tons of dungeons? Is this some obscure measurement I haven't encountered?


Tired of lists, the problem is RIFT set a high bar for refinement and SWTOR fails on many of those counts. The UI is atrocious in both its inflexibility and missing features. And I never compared its content to another game, I simply stated that its feature set EXCEPT for the voice acting is good for ten year old game. The talent system is like the worst WOW ever offered and no ability of undoing an Advanced Class you don't like is going to be a source of much grief in the community.


Still stand by my assessment, if it were not for the IP and Voice Acting this game would be toast, I guess they needed to add the over sexed twils to give the pocket mining demographic a reason to stick with it.

 

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Ferrydust  3 stars
Title: Iron Chef Jennifer
Posts: 938
Registered: 2002-9-4 20:32:54
Zero_Washu posted:

RoamsBlues posted:

You're fully allowed to find it's not your cup of tea and not like SWTOR but your being disingenuous in your appreciation of the game... if you even have any experience with it.

But honestly if this does not meet the standard for a newly released MMO than you're either a hypocrite or no MMO will ever meet your standard.



Was wondering when I would encounter the rabid fanboi, I just glad he didn't break down and cry, or at least I could not see it. Do they crawl under their SW blankets with the Wookie doll with kung fu grip?

Graphics are merely okay, character models are actually bland unless in a Voice Acting scene, clipping is very bad
I have yet to read one good review of the crafting system.
Polished game play, yeah they got spawn camping down pat.
Balanced classes? You really typed that?
Open PvP is only good until a few weeks into game, then its a cry fest, still only three war zones?
The companion system is actually nice, guess its as close to sex as most SW fans will get
ooh... ships, uh other games call them houses, and in SW I want a tiny ship, not something I can get lost in
What constitutes tons of dungeons? Is this some obscure measurement I haven't encountered?


Tired of lists, the problem is RIFT set a high bar for refinement and SWTOR fails on many of those counts. The UI is atrocious in both its inflexibility and missing features. And I never compared its content to another game, I simply stated that its feature set EXCEPT for the voice acting is good for ten year old game. The talent system is like the worst WOW ever offered and no ability of undoing an Advanced Class you don't like is going to be a source of much grief in the community.


Still stand by my assessment, if it were not for the IP and Voice Acting this game would be toast, I guess they needed to add the over sexed twils to give the pocket mining demographic a reason to stick with it.



Uhh wow, you sort of went off the deep end there. Just sayin'

 

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Unstruck  2 stars
Posts: 260
Registered: 2004-3-24 18:59:13
Ferrydust posted:

Zero_Washu posted:

RoamsBlues posted:

You're fully allowed to find it's not your cup of tea and not like SWTOR but your being disingenuous in your appreciation of the game... if you even have any experience with it.


But honestly if this does not meet the standard for a newly released MMO than you're either a hypocrite or no MMO will ever meet your standard.



Was wondering when I would encounter the rabid fanboi, I just glad he didn't break down and cry, or at least I could not see it. Do they crawl under their SW blankets with the Wookie doll with kung fu grip?


Graphics are merely okay, character models are actually bland unless in a Voice Acting scene, clipping is very bad

I have yet to read one good review of the crafting system.

Polished game play, yeah they got spawn camping down pat.

Balanced classes? You really typed that?

Open PvP is only good until a few weeks into game, then its a cry fest, still only three war zones?

The companion system is actually nice, guess its as close to sex as most SW fans will get

ooh... ships, uh other games call them houses, and in SW I want a tiny ship, not something I can get lost in

What constitutes tons of dungeons? Is this some obscure measurement I haven't encountered?


Tired of lists, the problem is RIFT set a high bar for refinement and SWTOR fails on many of those counts. The UI is atrocious in both its inflexibility and missing features. And I never compared its content to another game, I simply stated that its feature set EXCEPT for the voice acting is good for ten year old game. The talent system is like the worst WOW ever offered and no ability of undoing an Advanced Class you don't like is going to be a source of much grief in the community.


Still stand by my assessment, if it were not for the IP and Voice Acting this game would be toast, I guess they needed to add the over sexed twils to give the pocket mining demographic a reason to stick with it.



Uhh wow, you sort of went off the deep end there. Just sayin'



Yah seriously. Deep breath. It's an opinion on a game, not the president burning the constitution.
Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
You compared that post to someone melting down over the President burning the Constitution? Wow, I think that's probably the worst comparison I've seen on this forum to date. Unless you think people would only get mildly annoyed at the President burning the Constitution of course, cause that is about all that post sounded like to me.

Edit: I wrote flag instead of Constitution first, so you made an even worse comparison than I initially thought. Ha!

 

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RoamsBlues
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Zero_Washu posted:

...and no ability of undoing an Advanced Class you don't like is going to be a source of much grief in the community.


Again... talking out of your ass
Ugh_Lancelot  3 stars
Title: Ooo...bouncy!
Posts: 766
Registered: 2002-6-17 14:37:05
RoamsBlues posted:

Zero_Washu posted:

If it were not for the voice acting and Star Wars IP SWTOR would be dead on delivery. It has a feature set that would have been great for a new MMORPG, TEN YEARS AGO.

The worst part is their class/talent system which is like taking the worst WOW ever offered and doubling down. Back again with the +1 crap. Worse, I have three trees to do it with. Only three warzones for PvP, slow spawning quest mobs, and you can't start off with a friend unless you both play the same archetype.

The voice acting will save it for a while, but the light/dark choices look like a six year old or Dr. Evil concocted them



Feature set that would have been great for a new MMORPG, TEN YEARS AGO?


Here's a game releasing with
-great graphics
-a deep crafting system that matters
-polished gameplay
-fairly balanced classes
-instanced PvP matches
-open PvP areas
-ffa PvP zone
-objective based open PvP zone
-companion system (which actually works unlike)
-Ships which although not customisable is more than many MMOs can claim
-full VO
-Good story element
-Quest lines with actual choice (sure maybe it's linear if you compare it with say Morrowind... but it's surely the least linear MMO out there ATM aside from perhaps GW... if you consider that an MMO)
-Space combat mini game
-Tons of dungeons and a variable difficulty raid and the promise of more
-The group dialog and social point system is simplistic but tons of fun and that itself is worth noting
-Tons of QoL features already in like area loot, self rez... or just stuff like /walk
-Combat that actually looks good with deflecting moves and deflected projectiles and repelled blows

Does it have as much content as a 7yo MMO? no. Why would you expect that?
(You absolutely can start off with a friend if you want to btw... unless you're of a different faction.)

Does it have flaws? yes... poor character customization and lack of iconic races for sure...

You're fully allowed to find it's not your cup of tea and not like SWTOR but your being disingenuous in your appreciation of the game... if you even have any experience with it.

But honestly if this does not meet the standard for a newly released MMO than you're either a hypocrite or no MMO will ever meet your standard.


Quoting this here for future reference (and lulz) in case of ninja edits.

 

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