If you haven't played an FPS in that long why would you even bring it up in an argument? You argue points you know things about, not things you know jack about. Amazing...

And the fact STILL remains that balancing PvP with a class system is COMPLETELY possible which has been proven in several class based FPS games. So really your argument holds absolutely zero basis so perhaps you should exit this conversation before you make even more of a fool out of yourself.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Fortress_2#Classes

9 completely different and unique classes, which is only one less than WoW. Yeah, there aren't any talents but the point is that it is definitely a multiclass game where each class has one set of abilities and attributes that are drastically different than the other classes. "Twitch" skill is 80% of TF/TF2 as it is a FPS game (which Blizzard tried to do with WoW Arenas but failed miserably by not divorcing PVE mechanics from PVP mechanics), but if you don't pick a relatively even spread of classes, your team will get rolled by a balanced one. Much like any barely-competent MMO PVP. Furthermore, in TF/TF2, the class roles are VERY different. No healers DPSing (except lol DPS), DPS can't heal, two of the classes' primary abilities are stationary objects, etc.

Of course, the biggest difference between TF and MMOs is that in TF, you can switch classes at the drop of a hat. Not so in (most) MMOs. What remains to be seen is whether the commitment required to level, gear and spec a particular race/class in GW2 is going to wash with the desire to play something different after a bit of PVP. Purely balanced PVP means you won't get to "tweak" things via gear or talent points the way you do in current MMOs (or at least not that I've seen in the pressers on GW2).

 

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From what I understand GW2 will allow you to create any class and be 100% ready, after setup time, to PvP.

Edit: Which only makes sense because they perfected the practice in the original GW.

 

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There is a very large community of gamers who do not want to schedule their fun days in advance, and life responsibilities that makes doing so problematic. They do not want their video game to be a virtual time card they must punch, must be online right at 8pm, must be able to stay until 12:00am, make sure you log in early and farm components for flasks, sorry if your kid is sick, you let down the whole team... They just want some fun when they can log in, and they want there to be a way to progress on their own timeline. They would like some new content for their play style every once in a while (as opposed to a new raid every patch, and a new 5 man every 2 years).


Maybe one day a game company will decide to make a MMO where these people can find meaningful things to do/progress too.

I also pointed out that FPS and MMORPG PvP were different animals, something you chastised me for comparing in my previous post. So in 3 separate posts now I've stated I believe they are different animals, but you seemed to have missed that.

And now here you are, making correlations between FPS and MMORPG PvP, again, something you keep trying to accuse me of and I haven't done.

Just because they can balance FPS, does not necessarily mean they can balance MMORPG PvP. It doesn't mean they can't either. As I've said already, no MMORPG that I have seen since starting with UO and playing pretty much every new title since, has been able to achieve that true balance. If GW2 does it, great on them and great for us players. But until I actually see it, I'll hold judgement.

Quasi, perhaps you should read the whole thread.

The only reason I asked about FPS was because of Spooky's comments.





To which I replied:





I made an assumption that Spooky was referring to FPS, because I was not aware of a huge MMORPG player base on consoles. So I asked him if that was what he was referring to.





First, lets put the whole sentence in there shall we? I said "If everyone has the exact gear, stats and skills as everyone else, why PvP in a MMORPG and not just play a FPS?

I was referring to what I guess are now old style FPS games (I wasn't aware they had changed to include classes), when there weren't classes, and everyone was a clone of each other. In context it makes a lot more sense.


I am truly not sure what it is you don't understand. Or why you are choosing not to understand.

 

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I think we have a resounding answer to this question since you've proven you can't keep up in a conversation at all.

 

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Wow, way to ignore everything and basically say " No, you're stupid."


Kudos to you sir.

 

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Well I'm not going to discuss things I've already discussed all because you are too slow to keep up with the conversation.

 

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Once again, you chose to ignore what is said and simply say "I'm right, you're wrong" without backing it up.

I think I get you now Quasi. Perhaps I've been away from this board for a long while and forgot, but the reminder is loud and clear. Thanks for that

 

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