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Author Topic: I like gaheris but I don't know which kind of bot to get! [Locked]
PasswordLLOTH  3 stars
Title: i can haz title
Posts: 517
Registered: 2007-6-13 17:45:05
hi my name is Protect and I serve a purpose in pve

and that's how easily your argument turns into profanity

that of course ignores the rest of the profanity coming from your post. i dont see how there being a paladin in a group makes a druid a better buffbot nor do i see how a paladin swings faster with your druid's haste or a pot or the npc buff.

it's funny you argue the druid offers some sort of damage mitigation to the group(which it doesn't) vs the shaman's rr5/friggs combo.

there's only one or two high end encounters on gaheris and relic keeps isn't one of them nor has it been for a long time. ml10 is one and i can't think of any other high end encounter.

its time for you to /release

 

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Saxona  1 star
Title: Viking of Paragon
Posts: 248
Registered: 2003-11-17 19:40:46
PasswordLLOTH posted:

Saxona posted:

PasswordLLOTH posted:

power toys + omni regen > power toys

omni regen up every 10 minutes < DI, PR, haste for tanks and pets, instant heals, BOF (if you're the type that uses it)



damage mitigation has always been more important than powerful heals. di is stupid and mostly worthless. shamans get insta heals too and bof < a blockbot or again damage mitigation. shaman rr5 + friggs goes a long way towards constant regen. the only insta heal that matters for daoc is the group insta heal on a 10m timer(which shamans get) and pr isn't necessary on gaheris.
haste is celerity's retarded cousin(and a whore of a cousin at that with the realm buffbots) and pets are only there for keep doors/walls. tanks don't need haste because all they do is stand still and spam taunt.

this is why i played so well on the warden: pbt,rr5, insta group hot, and offensive heal proc spamming essence flames keeps a group up pretty damn well and when things got sticky i have a nice single target heal.
back to the original point: shaman rr5 doesn't use up an item timer. di bof and pr are a poor man's crutches.

How is a shaman better at damage mitigation than a druid? We're not talking about block bots, we're talking about buff bots. As far as shaman's getting an insta heal, your argument doesn't hold any weight. I'd rather have an insta heal, group insta heal, and DI than VR (which is pretty much useless below the third level anyway), especially at low rank. And you can't call rr5 + friggs 'constant regen' because the rr5 is only up every 10 minutes. And how is PR not necessary on Gaheris? There isn't always going to be a heretic around, and if you have to rez 2 people at the same time, 1 is going to be rez sick and useless for the ongoing fight without it. And why wouldn't you want haste on pets? Their swing speed isn't going to be capped by celerity alone.

Greg, you have a raging hard on for shamans, and face it, like your raging hard on for the same sex, it isn't main stream, so get over it.

 

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Abominations  1 star
Posts: 50
Registered: 2009-9-30 22:38:11
[TOS] FIRST OFF Protect does NOT protect from unlimited healing. You have no freaking clue what you are talking about, taunt does not preclude the monsters from atacking the healer through the protect. Look into protect again fool and learn before speak.
Mentalburn  1 star
Title: Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
Posts: 133
Registered: 2003-8-26 01:11:55
Shaman's utility doesn't even compare to that of a druid or cleric.

1) They have to use red specs inorder to cap, meaning you can't buff as many people.
2) Friggs is useless with higher spike damage, I'd rather have higher delve heals.
3) BoF/DI is damage mitigation, which a shaman CAN'T get as much as you would like to think.
4) Single/Group insta's on druid/cleric, shaman gets VR and you have to spec it to 5 for it to viable.
4) Haste + celerity = taking down doors/walls faster which means faster times on keeps.
5) End regen is a moot point from shamans, when you can run a bard/paladin or use end pots.
6) Druid has same timed buffs as shaman and better utility around the table.
7) Protect does absolutely nothing againist a group of higher lvl mobs. Tried and tested.


Name an advantage shaman's have over druid/clerics, so far I've seen none. So your points are moot.

 

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PasswordLLOTH  3 stars
Title: i can haz title
Posts: 517
Registered: 2007-6-13 17:45:05
trap card activated:

saxona
1) egg of youth or golm can cure res sickness. so does purge.
2) haste on pets is only limited to keeps
3) shaman rr5 really is that good

abom -
have you tried using guard?

mentalpissedkid-
1) lol you wont have a problem buffing 3 players with a shaman. there's this thing in perfector that makes your buff pool bigger. try using that next time
2) the shaman spec 25/26 heals hit for 500+ . play better and you wont have to heal as often
3) friggs and rr5 restore hp/mana/endo to everybody including the healer
4) vr5 is overkill tried and true
4) shaman rr5 = more power = more pbaoes for taking down groups of mobs or the lord
5) hes not running a bard or pally
6) no
7) thats when you learn to measure aggro with the strength of your pbaoe, to keep up a constant regen with friggs, and learn how to heal effectively. any decent player will know this.


pissed kid posted:

Name an advantage shaman's have over druid/clerics, so far I've seen none. So your points are moot.


rr5, endo, damage-add, vr5, dex-race, disease/dot, friggs.


nice try fellas but you've let your heads get so far up your own asses that you're profanity your face through your own mouth and made your own human cent-ipad.

as the OP stated hes going to play sm+bot with a champion friend. the main issue he will face in that trio is the lack of power which the shaman offers better than any other bot because of it's rr5.

3v1 and you all lost. you should learn to pan more


on a side note do you ever wonder why i spec my warden the way i do? it's because warden is a healing/blocking hybrid and should be treated as such. i've only used it in groups with that understanding that makes me stop guarding my pbaoe for 1-2seconds to toss the group some heals. i didn't have 50shield because the points could be used much better in higher regrowth. its about time you guys learn to think outside the box without forgetting the purpose.

 

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Mentalburn  1 star
Title: Oh well, whatever, nevermind.
Posts: 133
Registered: 2003-8-26 01:11:55
mentalpissedkid-
1) lol you wont have a problem buffing 3 players with a shaman. there's this thing in perfector that makes your buff pool bigger. try using that next time
(shaman needs 47aug to cap dex, where as druid/cleric can do it with yellow base/spec allowing them to spec other lines)
[TOS] ml4 ability is passive, nothing about it to "use"

2) the shaman spec 25/26 heals hit for 500+ . play better and you wont have to heal as often
(or I could just heal for 1000+ with druid/cleric and have to heal "less often" as you put it)

3) friggs and rr5 restore hp/mana/endo to everybody including the healer
(~100hp heal every 4sec and rr5 10min use, could use 4 x 50% power regains in that amount of time)

4) vr5 is overkill tried and true
(only non-passive RA a shaman gets that is even worth a damn on Gaheris)
(where as cleric/druic have BoF + DI + PR + Single/Group instas)

4) shaman rr5 = more power = more pbaoes for taking down groups of mobs or the lord
(shaman rr5 = takes 30sec to get all 50%, power charge item = instant)

5) hes not running a bard or pally
(end pots)

6) no
(yes)

7) thats when you learn to measure aggro with the strength of your pbaoe, to keep up a constant regen with friggs, and learn how to heal effectively. any decent player will know this.
(Yeah... because I'm going to stop PBAoE/Heals and sit there waiting for the aggro table to shift, are you stupid or just dumb.. I think a mixture of both?)

TOS posted:

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rr5 - (only usable every 10min, can use 4 x 50% power charge items in 10min)
endo - (30 charge end4 pots, without haste/celerity you'll never go OOE)
damage-add - (Haste is going to benefit you LONG before dmg add every will)
vr5 - (10min timer, where as druid/cleric has single + group + DI + BoF + PR)
dex-race - (356dex caps "most" important heals, which can be obtained with ~dex5 (10ra pts)
disease/dot - (druid has dot and cleric has smite, CL for diseases if you think it's important.
If you're having to spam AOE disease on mobs, get a better PBAoE they should have been dead by then.)
friggs - (ticks every 4sec for ~100, doesn't do [TOS] for spike dmg)




I said to list an "A D V A N T A G E", that a shaman has over druid/cleric which you still haven't done.

 

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Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
Posts: 1,557
Registered: 2004-9-18 21:52:58
I can't believe you guys are arguing with Password...

 

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PasswordLLOTH  3 stars
Title: i can haz title
Posts: 517
Registered: 2007-6-13 17:45:05
Quazimortal posted:

I can't believe you guys are arguing(and losing) with Password...


fixed~

also pissed kid is pissed hes wrong and im right

its okay though he doesn't know that power charges and rr5 can be used simultaneously its okay hes new to daoc

 

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Abominations  1 star
Posts: 50
Registered: 2009-9-30 22:38:11
Password, you do realize you have been told by at least THREE GOOD GAHERIS PLAYERS that shamans do not and will NEVER compare to a druid or cleric. You are still arguing and trying to prove your point.

I think the only point you proved was the one made by Saxona is the fact you have such a raging hard on for shamans you cant see past that. Learn to play this game then we can talk.
PasswordLLOTH  3 stars
Title: i can haz title
Posts: 517
Registered: 2007-6-13 17:45:05
as soon as you called mental a good player i fell from my chair from laughter

you have a lot to learn trying to troll me though

 

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