I think the /region system is fine as is. I agree with Pent that some newer players, and I welcome them to gaheris, thanks for your interest in our cool home, have done what they do and that's be new. Intentionally or unintentionally upsetting the apple cart. Either way let's be frank it doesn't matter in the big picture.

Some players that are running multiple accounts on a keep are very busy, or if you are like myself, and run several players out their with you, and are running only two accounts, you as leader, are still busy.

Herein lies the communication breakdown, and sometimes misunderstanding imho.

Busy/new players are just as likely or even more likely to be just busy /new. (Not asshats) But the /region system has blinded some like myself because it's how learned keeps and it has worked so well so far.

I like Ribble's suggestion of doing a /who and /sending a member in that region, even though it requires another step on my part. If others have others ways I'm sure they are good too, but at least TRibble's is done in the es spirit de corps we want to foster, so anything along those lines is a step forward.

We are not going to avoid these communication breakdowns however, so I suggest we just play nice and it will be easier to take. Also humming a few bars of Robert Plant can get you through some rough spots in /region or on Crunchy for that matter may help. Robert Plant is good, but if your feeling a little more aggressive, I suggest Phil Anslemo, and F===ing Hostile from Pantera always puts me in the mood for farming seals.

Lets expect to be in closer quarters at least until the end of October. Hopefully membership and player-ship increase and in more positive ways.

See ya out there Gaheris.

Oh yeah and as far as typing in/advice about taking keeps, I think that's a bad idea. I sometimes like to help players even when I'm not taking keeps, and if I were to be in jordheim say crafting, and I had to turn off /advice for the irrelevant keep chat it's a lose.

AS far as making up special uses for channels that seem to deviate from the general label DAoC has placed on them, I am guessing that you are going to ask for even more confusion by are already too often confused mates.

i.e

Walters says: Anyone on Glenlock?
Noob one says: Where is the trainer for CL levels?
Noob assistant one says: The are the guild trainers in starter towns, or SI capital cities, fighter, viking trainer for example.
Ribble says: yep
Noob Assistant two says: What CL line you speccing? I like to go to the SI capital cities cause you can port there.
Alph Says: What's up walt?

Walters says: Hello to Ribble when he arrives at Glen. Then rereads chat log and feels unobservant he drove two guildies to Glenlock, Now hates alternate use of /advice channel for the next 30 secs. and hopes the Boom Relic is up, even though it's melee madness.

You're right, /anon causes problems with keeps and that's why people should not use it while doing them. Making yourself visible on /who is a part of keep etiquette. This was widely understood and talked about in the old days.

However the problem corrects itself because people who farm keeps while /anon very quickly discover that they are creating problems for themselves.

You say "sending tells everywhere." This sounds like you think the old system requires you to send a lot of tells. That's not true. You usually ask only one question and you get an answer. Often you don't need to ask anything because you can see that nobody is in the zone.

 

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So far as I can remember, everybody used to do it the old way. Suddenly last week I noticed that everybody now says "anybody on ...?" I don't know when it changed.

I've seen it now both ways, and I think the old way worked better. The old way created a friendlier, more social atmosophere because people kept track of what everybody else was doing and they talked about it.

Under the old system, I farmed thousands of keeps over many years and only had one bad experience. It works extremely well.

 

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A situation I had: Leading a group of guildies on keeps I asked in /reg if anyone was on Glen (we were in Emain at the time). No answer & noone in Jamtland. We dart there with speed and took the back of the door down quite quickly and was in the courtyard killing the mobs when i noticed the front keep door come down. I said, "what's up, we're on Glen". By that time the courtyard mobs were dead and we took the inner door down in no time at all. Going up the stairs (afterall, we were in the courtyard and killed all the mobs first) this multi-toon player bum rushed us and ran up into the lords room. We decided to give it to this person and went to the bridge to split seals.

The argument this person had: "I just logged on and did a /who jamtland and noone was there so I went". So he felt this was his keep, even though we were in the courtyard already.

My group was in the middle of doing keeps, did a /who jamtland, asked in /reg, went to the back of Glen, made a hole and still had a problem!

Point: This was a misunderstanding as that person logged in and did a /who while we were in the process of going there and missed my /reg "anyone on glen". And we were much faster with a full group as we never take the main outer keep door anyway and were in back where he could not see us. Therefore, Do a /who and a /reg "anyone on <keep>! And if there aren't any outside mobs that you notice, someone is probably on it. We used a CT so it took a little time. Another point, there is more than the main keep door to get into the keep.

In any event, that person was in such a hurry to get to the lord he wiped. After our seals were split and noticed that, we went and killed the lord.

i always answer in the affirmative when someone region spams asking who is on XXX keep

 

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I'd like to make a point here as an outside observer. You will never fix the problem unless you start naming names. Someone rushes past you and kills the keep lord after you did all the work of clearing trash and taking down doors? Call them out publicly! Someone wants to be a whiny little punk cause you were too busy killing the keep lord to answer their generic question? Call them out publicly!

After enough bad rep starts piling up they will either change their attitudes or have to deal with absolutely no respect from any of the other keep teams.

 

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respect from keep teams isn't important anyhow

 

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So you don't mind people ignoring your presence and taking a keep you are on? I say fight fire with fire, if your rep is to steal keeps then by all means steal their keeps. Eye for an eye.

 

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The offenders in question don't seem to care about giving or getting respect. Oh sure when they first arrived on the server they were friendly enough, but as soon as they got what they needed from the gaheris natives they decided to show their true colors.

 

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