Amendial on the Hate train...skew your opinion, since you are a Jags fan and have sucked ass for so long. it's easy to say that even with Manning they would have not been a playoff team. i feel differently...but its all hindsight.

all i know is that the playoff run i over, and hopefully soon it will start again. a lot of unanswered questions still loom, but i do know that if the Colts make the right moves and for some chance Luck proves to be somewhat a great NFL QB, then i know you will be underhyping him like you do Manning. it's nice to see you spew on and on about the Colts...they bother you or shall i say bothered you. you dont see many topics about the rest of the AFC south do you?

 

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When he gets riled up, he gets going! At least you can say he's passionate!

 

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if peyton had a defense like eli, yea he would have 3-4 superbowl wins. and im not arguing, i know that eli isnt all that great. best ever?!?!? hahahahaha

 

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Still on the Peyton got no help from his defense kick? Did I not break it down enough for you in my last post? My thought process with the Colts not being a playoff team this year as more to do with where I judge them to be as a team. They barely went 9-7 last year, and I did not think they made any moves to get better going into this season. I honestly felt with Manning they would have hung around 8-8, and not been a playoff team. I do not see how the Colts, even with Manning, would have been better than the Houston Texans this season, so a division championship was definitely out of the question. I am not trying to bash Peyton quite as much as I am trying to make a point for Eli. To simply dismiss the discussion is ignorant, the stats and numbers from the playoffs merit a discussion on who the better Manning brother is. I hear the same recycled garbage of excuses - mainly the Peyton never had help from his defense excuse - but the numbers dont seem to line up with those excuses. Read my last post, I think I broke down the number pretty well. You absolutely should not be expected as a defense to win games 13-10 in the playoffs. As an offense in the playoffs you should be expected to score 20 points if you want to win. Tom Brady might have the best "my defense screwed me" case in the NFL right now, but even then I have to blame him more than the defense for their two Superbowl losses. Not once did he break the 20 point mark in either of those games. But if you are going to continue to blame Peytons failures or Eli's success on the defense, I want to see some kind of proof to back up your statement, because from the numbers I looked at the other day, it sure looks like the burden of failure falls on the offense more often than the defense.

 

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Amendial's wall of text!

I have watched at least 90% of the games since the Jeff George era...started to really get excited when Harbaugh took the reins and almost and should have made their first SB visit when the dreaded Steelers stole the AFC champ game with Kordell Stewart running out of the endzone and back in catching a TD. that play still makes me sick.

then they drafted Manning..the debate was all about him and Leaf then. they chose correctly under Polian and then the GM assembled a team that fit the Manning playstyle not unlike most GM's with their franchise QB. after the years and drafts, Manning made the running game look somewhat ok by forcing the other teams to run different D's most of the time with nickles and dimes the whole game...he also made our D look ok at times by using total ball control and only allowing the other teams to play either catch up or one type of D..usually passing, (hence why we have two badass DE's!).

Manning was the team and it showed..not that we didnt have great players, but those great players were put into place due to the commander at the helm. without his direction you could see the results.

teams have always been allowed to rush on us..its been a huge frustration for countless years, but one thing you could depend on is that those same teams are going to have throw the ball and try and hurry up and score due to the fact that Manning is going to put up points and quickly. your assumption of a record is pointless...we dont know what would have happened. IF he was healthy...when he came back from his last injury if you recall...we lost against the Texans, won 2 and lost our 4th...then we went on a winning streak. stumbled i believe with the Pats and Cowboys, but we started out slow due to Manning not being 100%.

what ever the future holds for Manning, one thing i know for sure...my loyalty is to the team, not the player since usually their loyalty isnt to me. and ill be a hater like Amendial if i see another jersey on his back...if it's against my Colts.

take your Jags...i like Del Rio, imo he wasnt the issue...they didnt give him the one thing he really needed...a solid QB. his D was good, specially the LB's, had a great running game..his receivers were somewhat ok, but the QB situation was a dumpster fire. he did as best as he could with the QB that he had...fire the GM, but keep Del Rio...imo.

 

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O, so now you want to gang up on me eh? The Jags have a solid QB now. But he needs receivers who can catch the ball and a line that can give him some time to throw it! .. and a full off season to actually learn the playbook and be coached! Those Jags are a lot more than a QB away from being the Colts from a few years ago!

 

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really think that the Jags are going to be the Colts from a few years ago? ill change my icon to a Jags logo, if they match division titles that the Colts put up...


AFC South: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010

 

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Your point on the Jaguars is dead on Liquid, and that actually goes on to prove my point for me. The Jaguars have everything the Colts didnt have for years, and not a lot that the Colts did have. Why is one successful and the other not so successful, simple its Quarterback play. Thats my point for Eli exactly. You can't attribute the success to his defense, the difference between the Superbowl Champion Giants, and the top 10 pick in the draft Giants is Eli Manning. The difference between a one and done in the playoffs and a Superbowl is Eli Manning. People have complained about Peyton not getting help, but he has the same kind of players Eli has. Peyton has always had good pass rushers and good safties, Peytons defense has usually had decent corners. Thats exactly how the New York defense is. I do not buy into an arguement that Eli's defenses were so great his two superbowl seasons that every quarterback could win a championship with them. Watch the last Giants drive from both Superbowls and tell me they are not world champions because of Eli Manning. Watch the Packers game and tell me they are not world champions because of Eli Manning. Players like Kurt Warner are out there saying Eli is not even the in the discussion for HOF? Are you kidding me? The guy should be a lock to make the HOF if he has even an average finish to his career. I am not trying to completely bash on Peyton Manning here, just trying to point out that the debate between who is the overall better QB between Eli and Peyton is not even close to cut and dry. And to assume I have some bias against Peyton Manning is a little old fashioned. I admit in the past I have been overly harsh on Peyton, but that is in the past. He is pretty much not a Colt anymore, which means I dont have a problem with him anymore, but that doesnt mean I am going to ignore his failures and proclaim him the god of NFL quarterbacks. He has to show me he is. Eli showed me two great career defining moments in the Superbowl. Peytons career defining moment is watching him half heartedly try and tackle the New Orleans DB as he ran the other way late in the fourth quarter to seal the NO win. Both Mannings have thrown a touchdown in crunch time for their teams in the Superbowl, but Eli is the only one who contributed points to his team.

 

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I would much rather the Jaguars didnt become the Colts of the past decade, I would prefer they dont go one and done in 7 of 11 playoff appearences. I wouldnt mind being the Patriots of the past decade. Or the Steelers; or even the New York Giants. While those teams had less regular season success, they were much better in the post-season, which is the season that matters most in the NFL. Also I would not be so quick to crown Gabbert as the next big quarterback. He has a long, long ways to go before he can establish himself as a justified starter in the NFL. He made some amazing plays this year, but he made some stupid plays much more often. I will admit that he had the leagues worst receieving unit on his team, but Gabbert needs to make a lot of improvement to his game before he can be mentioned in a conversation of legitimate NFL starters, not to mention all time great QB's like Peyton Manning.

EDIT: Also as far as Del Rio goes, I supported him for years but this year I finally had to admit it was time to let him go. We have only had two playoff appearances under him and zero division titles. We consistently hung around .500 throughout most of his career and I just did not think he established a great atmosphere in the organization. I think he was a great coach, but after nine seasons things had just become stale in Jacksonville. We were never going to get over the hump without a culture change in Jacksonville. As far as the GM goes, I would have burned all my Jaguars gear and become a fan of a new team if we fired our GM, he is one of the best in the league. He has only been at the helm for three years and never had a full assortment of draft picks to work with, but he has made great progress. All signs show that Monroe and Alualu are going to be star players going forward. Britton and Cox are going to be starters for a while in this league as well. Its not his fault the previous regime left behind two good players in 6 years. With good play from our passing offense the Jaguars will be a force in the division and the AFC. Our defense is rebuilt with young players, the offensive line is rebuilt with young players, and we have one of the best rushing attacks in the league. If QB and WR play ever gets fixed, watch out.

 

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so your saying blaine garbage is going to be a great QB?? hahahahhahahah

 

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