Enough said...going to be a great off season not hearing about Brady and the Patriots!

 

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Going to be a great post-season hearing about Eli having more rings than that pathetic hack of a QB named Peyton Manning. LoL at Peyton having less rings than his brother.

 

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rings mean crap. eli will never be like his brother. that and brady didnt lose, his recievers didnt catch a damn thing at the end and having gronk hurt means he cant dive to win the game

 

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Seeing the Patriots lose brings a smile to my face.

 

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You are right Spy, Eli will never be like his brother. Eli makes plays in the post-season to get his team a championship, while Peyton has shown time and time again that he will choke under the pressure of the playoffs. There is no debate that Peyton has a level of regular season consistantcy that Eli will never reach, and no other QB in the history of the NFL may ever reach. However, I think you ultimately have to judge a QB by his post-season performances and Eli is definitely ahead of his brother right now. The Colts were favored more often than not in their playoff runs, playing at home in 4 of the 5 playoff games they played in their two AFC Championship seasons, while Eli and the Giants were the underdog playing on the road in five of their six playoff games during their championship seasons. Peyton has never had a playoff run similar to Eli, and Eli has done it twice now; anyone who refuses to at least hear the arguement that Eli is better than Peyton is commited more to ignorance than they are to finding an actual truth.

 

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Amendial...it cracks me up that I felt that whole post was written for me. I could just see you smirking while typing it. LOL

 

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Peyton also took a 2 win team to the playoffs last year and to 14 wins and a SB appearance two years ago. I think it is naive to put all the blame on Peyton. They haven't drafted well and have never managed to put together a defense. Peyton masks that with how he runs the offense and makes mediocre players on offense look like pro-bowlers. I'd be interested in seeing what Peyton can do with a defense like the Giants.

Edit: Just goes to show that defense still wins championships. Last year it was the Packers defense that was dominant in the playoffs and the SB. The Saints and Colts are the only real exceptions I can think of in the last decade. And even then those defenses stepped up in the playoffs and the big game. And you could argue that the special teams call by Sean Peyton won them the SB.

Look at what has happened to Brady since his defense aged and began to decline. Now it is a bottom of the pack defense and they just aren't finishing games like they used to. That defense isn't holding drives at the end of games anymore. If the Patriots still had their defense from earlier in the decade they would have won the 2 SB's against the Giants. Hell they should have won the one in 07' without that crazy throw from Eli and catch by Tyree. Don't want to play the "what if" game, but defense still wins championships.

 

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I dont know that you can blame the defense of the Patriots. They gave up 17 in one SB loss to the Giants and 21 in another. I dont know that you can say that type of a defensive performance is to blame for the loss. Tom Brady has to find away to break the 20 point mark in both games, which he failed to do. I think the blame for both losses falls squarely on the Patriots ofense. As far as Peyton Manning and the Colts are concerned, you cannot simply imply that because the Colts went 2-14 this year, that they would have been a 2-14 team in years past without Manning. I have said all season that even with Manning the Colt were not a playoff team. They were clearly past their prime last season, and even with Manning they were going to continue that downward trend. Peytons championship season was brought on by steller defensive play in the playoffs. They offensively did not play well against KC, Baltimore, or Chicago for most of those games. However, the Colts defense rose up and did a great job and led the Colts to a championship. The same thing I said about Brady has to be said about Peyton in the post season as well. 17 Points and a game deciding pick six against the Saints is not a failure of the defense, that falls on Manning. 17 Points against the Chargers is a failure on Manning. The blowouts to New England in the early part of the decade fall on Peyton. A good QB in the modern day had to lead his team on enough scoring drives to break the 20 point mark, its plain and simple. Peyton has failed to do that more times than not in the playoffs. And I did not say what I said just to get a rise out of you Liquid, I said it because it needed saying. To not even consider that Eli is better than Peyton when it matters is rediculous. Overall I would still say that Peyton is better because be great in the post-season only matter if you can get there more than once every 2 or 3 seasons, but the game is much closer than most people want to believe.

 

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u take peyton out of indy they literally sucked mega dong. take eli out and they still would have ended up with the same record, superbowl winners? no but thats the difference in eli to a average QB

 

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Are you kidding me? NY Giants had the leagues worst rushing offense this year. That team got the record that it got BECAUSE of Eli Manning. Take Eli away from the Giants and give them Orlavsky or Painter this year and they are picking first in the draft. You see its not the fact that Indy is a two win team without Manning, but more so the fact that just about any team is a two win team with Orlovsky or Painter as their quarterback. Just ask the Detroit Lions. I do not buy any argument for Peytons greatness based off of Indinapolis' performance this season. There are too many factors and variables that go into the equation to be a straight cut and dry comparison. I wont argue against Peytons importance to the Colts, that is evidenced by their clear lack of an NFL ready backup, but to say that he is better than Eli because the Colts went 2-14 without him does not win you anything in an arguement with me. Peyton has had some highly talented teams - both on the offense and defense - throughout his time in Indy, and he regularly failed to get the job done, usually in a poor offensive performance. Look at his post-season losses and tell me the defense is squarely to blame for all of them. Find me more than three of his nine post-season losses where the Colts put up more than 20 points. I don't think you can.

In fact I went ahead and did the research for you.

1999 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 19-16
2000 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 23-17
2002 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 41-0
2003 Season: Colts lose their third playoff game 24-14, however, Manning did carry them to the AFC title game with two good offensive performances.
2004 Season: Colts lose their second playoff game 20-3, this following a huge blowout of the Denver Broncos in the wildcard round.
2005 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 21-18
2006 Season: Colts win the Superbowl
2007 Season: Colts lose thier first playoff game 28-24
2008 Season: Colts lose thier first playoff game 23-17
2009 Season: Colts lose the Superbowl 31-17, while putting beating Baltimore 20-3 and the rookie led NY Jets 30-17
2010 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 17-16
Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4785812

Notice something that poped up alot in that playoff history for Manning? Let me help you out, "Colts lose their first playoff game...." Also please notice that the Colts offense only scored more than 17 points twice in those losses and only broke the 20 point mark once in those losses. Also note that in those losses their defense held the opponet to 20 or less points three times, and 24 or less points seven times. It is hard to look at those numbers and still think Peyton is better than his brother Eli, especially in the post-season when it matters most. Just to be safe lets look at Eli's playoff performances.

2005 Season: Giants lose their first playoff game 23-0
2006 Season: Giants lose their first playoff game 23-20
2007 Season: Giants win the Superbowl
2008 Season: Giants lose their first playoff game 23-11
2011 Season: Giants win the Superbowl

Only twice did he fail to score more than 20 points in a loss. Peyton Manning failed to score 20 points in a loss more than that after this third trip to the playoffs, Eli won a ring his third trip to the playoffs, all of which came by wins away from the state of NY. Also note that not once did the NY Giants defense keep an opponet under 20 points in a playoff loss. Peyton didnt even win a playoff game until this fourth trip into the playoffs. And in both of his Superbowl seasons Eli put up 20 or more points in all but one game that they won those years (7 out of 8), while the defense gave up more than 17 points in two of those games (2 out of 8). Peyton Manning put up 20 or more points in all but two of his Superbowl appearing seasons (5 out of 7), while his defense gave up more than 17 points in 2 of those games (2 out of 7). So please feel free to throw out all you want about Peytons defense not holding up for him, or whatever, because the numbers do not support that Eli had a much better defensive unit around him than Peyton did.

 

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