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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Seething199 posted:



not sure why you guys have more faith in the individual states to do what's right than the federal government to do what's right.

Because I can move from state to state if they do stuff I hate. Moving out of the country however is much more difficult. Also, politicians at the state level are inherently more accessible and more vulnerable to electorate discontent.
__Bonk__  5 stars
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My state is in a mess financially as bad as the federal government. THings are a mess at this level too.

 

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Huges07.1  2 stars
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Ok, I'll take you off ignore to say this:

No, Alabama or any other state will not be doing anything of the sort. I think the wildest bit of "crazy" you'd see is in places like Arizona with immigration laws and California with whatever batshite crazy ideas they'd concoct. You'd likely see a wide variety of different laws from state to state on gay rights, and even then it'd be over marriage and PC crap that shouldn't even be an issue.

Education would be a great point of interest for me though. All kidding aside, sir, such as the 8th grade book lernin stuff, I think we would be able to sort out in a much quicker fashion what works and what doesn't. We could have 50 different models to study (not likely, but I'm sure you're following along with what I am getting at) and after that I would think that the more successful states would have other states paying attention and probably making changes for the better.

I think giving more power to the states is not only a good thing for the states and the people but it's also in keeping with the Constitution and getting back on track to restoring the country as the greatest on Earth. The further we stray from the Constitution, the further we keep falling behind. Resentment and /outrage against the federal government hasn't been growing for no reason.

 

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Seething199  2 stars
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Aerlinthian posted:

Seething199 posted:



not sure why you guys have more faith in the individual states to do what's right than the federal government to do what's right.

Because I can move from state to state if they do stuff I hate. Moving out of the country however is much more difficult. Also, politicians at the state level are inherently more accessible and more vulnerable to electorate discontent.



that may be true. but citizens of a state are more prone to being on the wrong side of sanity in some cases. if states always had more power than the fed, there would still be segregation in the south. and arizona would probably be shooting brown people in the home depot parking lot.

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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I see no rational justification for immediately jumping to worst cast scenarios.
Seething199  2 stars
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don't you do that hourly with regard to the federal government?

 

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Huges07.1  2 stars
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Seething199 posted:

don't you do that hourly with regard to the federal government?



Haven't they given us all reason to do so?

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
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Federal protections evolved for a reason. Because states full of shit bags will vote to treat everyone who isn't a shit bag exactly like them.....like shit.

Jim Crow laws
Anti-miscegenation laws
Gender inequality legislated by many, many states
Child labor practices mandated by states who supported a SC ruling that overturned federal law banning it
Anti-choice laws passed in many states
Anti-gay legislation that criminalizes the private sexual conduct of adults in their own homes
Anti-non white laws passed against immigrants and minorities in almost every state
Religious conduct laws
Racial profiling, gender profiling, poll taxes, eugenics, english only laws.........

The list is endless. A non-stop litany of the tyranny of the majority (or the most well funded) over everyone else. Without comprehensive federal legislation to limit such practices by states full of idiots (most of the south and Texas and Utah in particular) huge portions of the US citizenry would be legally mandated to second class (or 3rd or 4th class) status.

Our country (not individual states) is a much better place because the Federal government stepped in and forced the issue that all are equal. The Federal government fails to be completely effective and very very slow to adopt such rules and limits....but if left to the states, many would NEVER do so.

We are US citizens first and foremost, not citizens of Texas or Florida or wherever. You need no permit to travel, visit, or move permanently among the various states. That would not be true for many people if the Federal government had not stepped in and forced the issue. Wanting to go back to the "good old days" when states had the right to oppress the shit out of anyone the idiots in that state didn't like....is one of the most abhorrent and delusional dreams of the "libertarian". They are nuts. Just like Ron Paul.
Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Yeah, lets all dive into Piltk's time machine where we will travel instantly back in time to only the worst periods.


Ptilk  4 stars
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They are ALL the worst periods.

Our country today isn't perfect by any stretch, but it's a hell of a lot better in many ways than it was. The "good old days" were full of oppression and abuse of a large portion of the population. There were no "good old days" for most people.

The advances we have seen have all been 4 steps forward, 3 steps back....but you still get a step forward that way. Letting individual states decide how to treat their minorities and others that the people in power find objectionable is not a step forward...it's going back to the "bad old days". No one except luddites, idiots, conspiracy theory nut cases, racists, misogynists, homophobes, old out of touch white guys, "libertarians" (AKA conspiracy theory luddites), and militia members want to take the US back to a time when it was perfectly legal to treat those different from the perceived norm like crap.

Giving more power to corporations is not the answer to the fact that the current federal government is useless. It's like supporting Stalin because you think the Tzars were mean.

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